I always wanted a Strong body

[TheSkepticChristian]

Our LDS prophets say that we should be grateful for everything that God gives us, including our bodies. The means that we should be satisfied with our bodies, that means that we shouldn't want a different body that we cannot have in this life. 

LDS.org says, " if you become preoccupied with manipulating or adorning your body, for what purpose are you using your gift?"

In the 17 miracles movie Albert said "I always wanted a strong body" and later in the film they show him as a tall man. It was a totally different body. 

So I wonder,  does that contradict what the prophets are saying? 

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[Scott Lloyd]

Does looking forward to one day having a perfected and glorified physical body "as beautiful as the angels that surround the throne of God" (to use Brigham Young's words) mean that I suffer from low self-esteem or that I don't appreciate my body now or that such a teaching is in appropriate?

In a word, no.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[ksfisher]

1 hour ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

gospel topics says, "Our bodies were created in the image of God. They are a gift from Heavenly Father to allow us to experience mortality and continue to become more like Him."

In the 17 miracles movie Albert said "I always wanted a strong body" and later in the film they show him as a tall man. 

So I wonder, how does that message help the handicap to appreciate and love their own bodies? Doesn't that hurt the self-esteem?  Was that inappropriate?  Are they saying that God gave him a useless body? 

 

We could say the same with quit a number of things.

How does saying how beautiful a painting is help blind people?

How does saying how well the choir sang help the deaf?

Does saying "read your scriptures" hurt the self-esteem of illiterate people?

If I say "I'm glad my children are healthy," does that hurt a mother who has had a child die?

etc

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Perhaps we should just not say anything for risk of offending someone.

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[TheSkepticChristian]

21 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

Does looking forward to one day having a perfected and glorified physical body "as beautiful as the angels that surround the throne of God" (to use Brigham Young's words) mean that I suffer from low self-esteem or that I don't appreciate my body now or that such a teaching is in appropriate?

In a word, no.

Are you handicapped? that is what I thought. 

and in the case of Albert, that was a totally different body, so don't give me that please. It was a 360 different body. 

Imagine if someone tells you that you need a different body because your current body is ... 

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[TheSkepticChristian]

and you didn't answer my question, how does that help the handicapped to appreciate and love their own bodies? 

[volgadon]

You are going to hate this. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jzplmeMMB84

[volgadon]

11 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Are you handicapped? that is what I thought. 

and in the case of Albert, that was a totally different body, so don't give me that please. It was a 360 different body. 

Imagine if someone tells you that you need a different body because your current body is ... 

 

Mr. Science, you should probably brush up on degrees and angles and such.

[Scott Lloyd]

42 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Are you handicapped? that is what I thought. 

Handicapped is relative term. Physically, I am infinitely limited and constricted in comparison to what I hope to be.

(By the way, I understand that "handicapped" might be regarded as an objectionable term by those who are physically disabled. If you really are worried about insensitivity and inappropriateness, you might want to revisit your own choice of terms. See here, for example.)

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and in the case of Albert, that was a totally different body, so don't give me that please. It was a 360 different body. 

Imagine if someone tells you that you need a different body because your current body is ... 

 

On the contrary In the paradigm of the Church of Jesus Christ, it is not "a totally different body." We believe that we will be resurrected with the body we were born into mortality with, but all imperfections, disabilities, blemishes, etc., will be done away. That is the meaning of the scripture in Alma which states that in the resurrection, "not so much as a hair of their heads shall be lost."

And if we go on to obtain exaltation, the body we have now will be perfected and glorified.

 

Edited February 29, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[TheSkepticChristian]

6 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said:

On the contrary In an the paradigm of the Church of Jesus Christ, it is not "a totally different body." We believe that we will be resurrected with the body we were born into mortality with, but all imperfections, disabilities, blemishes, etc., will be done away. That is the meaning of the scripture in Alma which states that in the resurrection, "not so much as a hair of their heads shall be lost."

And if we go on to obtain exaltation, the body we have now will be perfected and glorified.

Okay, let me try it this way. It seems that Albert was not grateful for his body because he always wanted a "Strong body"

So in other words, Albert believed he had a useless body. Correct? 

My body is full of imperfections, but that doesn't mean I want a different or stronger body. 

Edited February 29, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[Scott Lloyd]

12 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

and you didn't answer my question, how does that help the handicapped to appreciate and love their own bodies? 

The actor who portrayed Albert in the movie apparently didn't have a problem with it. Methinks thou doth project too much.

By the way, I met him when I purchased my copy of the DVD at Deseret Book, and I got him to sign the DVD case.

Edited February 29, 2016 by Scott Lloyd

[bluebell]

16 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Are you handicapped? that is what I thought. 

and in the case of Albert, that was a totally different body, so don't give me that please. It was a 360 different body. 

Imagine if someone tells you that you need a different body because your current body is ... 

 

You're not making a lot of sense.  Just because a body changes, doesn't mean that it's a different body.  I certainly don't look like i did when i was born, when i was 5, when i was 10, when i was 18, or even when i was 30.  My body will continue to change and how i look at 80 (if i'm still around) is going to be WAY different than how my body looks now.  That does not mean that at each of those intervals i had a "360 degree different body" than i had before or than i'll have in the future.  If something happened to my body and it became deformed, it would still be the same body that i had at 16.  It would just look different and function differently than it used to. From birth to death my body is the same body, regardless of what changes it endures.

Albert's body was only different after death in that it was free of the imperfections that held it back in mortality and it would some day be glorified and eternal.

It's the exact same change that all of our bodies will go thru after death.

[TheSkepticChristian]

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Edited February 29, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[TheSkepticChristian]

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Albert's body was only different after death in that it was free of the imperfections that held it back in mortality and it would some day be glorified and eternal.

Question, did you "always wanted" a stronger or different body? 

 

3 minutes ago, bluebell said:

You're not making a lot of sense.  Just because a body changes, doesn't mean that it's a different body.

Sureee! Except a 360 different appearance 

Edited February 29, 2016 by TheSkepticChristian

[Calm]

Knowing that my body will be perfected in the next life allows me not to resent the disabilities that I have in this one.

[bluebell]

Just now, TheSkepticChristian said:

Okay, but please answer my question 

"Okay, let me try it this way. It seems that Albert was not grateful for his body because he always wanted a "Strong body" So in other words, Albert believed he had a useless body. Correct?"

"My body is full of imperfections, but that doesn't mean I always wanted different or stronger body." 

 

It doesn't sound like Albert believed he had a useless body.  It sounds like he believed he had a limited and imperfect body.  There's nothing wrong with looking forward to the day when those limits and imperfections will be gone.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

 

Sureee! Except a 360 different appearance 

So the identical appearance than (stronger hint since you missed an earlier one, 360 degrees is a circle getting you back to where you started).

[Scott Lloyd]

7 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Okay, let me try it this way. It seems that Albert was not grateful for his body because he always wanted a "Strong body"

So in other words, Albert believed he had a useless body. Correct? 

My body is full of imperfections, but that doesn't mean I want a different or stronger body. 

The notion of it being "a different body" is your own fixation.

And if you don't want a physically perfected and glorified body in the future, well, that's your problem, isn't it?

 

[Calm]

Do you exercise, Skeptic?

[bluebell]

6 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Question, did you "always wanted" a stronger or different body? 

 

Sureee! Except a 360 different appearance 

Yes, i do want a stronger body.  I exercise now to help me along but i know that it'll be much stronger and more capable after it's resurrected and i look forward to that day.  

And what does it matter if a body looks different (and what does 360 different even mean anyway?  If something goes 360 degrees around, it ends up exactly where it started.  So a 360 different appearance-if appearance could even be described by degrees, which i'm not sure it can be-is impossible.)

[TheSkepticChristian]

13 minutes ago, bluebell said:

Yes, i do want a stronger body.  I exercise now to help me along but i know that it'll be much stronger and more capable after it's resurrected and i look forward to that day.  

I edited the OP, it is now clearer. 

 

18 minutes ago, Calm said:

Do you exercise, Skeptic?

Yes, but that is not my point. My point is that I am happy with my body, and I don't want a body that I will never have in this life. 

[Raingirl]

38 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Are you handicapped? that is what I thought. 

and in the case of Albert, that was a totally different body, so don't give me that please. It was a 360 different body. 

Imagine if someone tells you that you need a different body because your current body is ... 

 

Is looking for things ti criticize your favorite hobby? I can think of better things to do with one's time.

I have MS.  I am not seeing anything to get your knickers all in a knot about.

Am I handicapped?  It all depends on one's point of view, I guess.

There are some things that are difficult for me to do now, that weren't before. Others that are impossible. Do I wish my body worked like it used to? Sure, it made certain parts of life easier.

Would I be offended if someone told me I needed a different body? Why should I choose that reaction?  I'd probably agree with them, but I know there's currently no cure so why put my focus there?

I imagine that when I do get my perfected body, I'll be more appreciative than most.

Then there is the fact that my MS diagnosis is what prompted a member (also with MS) to share their testimony with me, which led to my joining the church.

If MS is what it took to get me to where I am today, then I am grateful to have MS.

[bluebell]

14 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

Yes, but that is not my point. My point is that I am happy with my body, and I don't want a body that I will never have in this life. 

Everyone get's a resurrected body, even those people confused enough to believe they won't want one.     

[Jeanne]

I just want to hear music again.

[Calm]

28 minutes ago, TheSkepticChristian said:

I edited the OP, it is now clearer. 

 

Yes, but that is not my point. My point is that I am happy with my body, and I don't want a body that I will never have in this life. 

So if you were born missing your legs, is that the condition of your body that you want eternally?

[ksfisher]

37 minutes ago, Raingirl said:

Is looking for things ti criticize your favorite hobby? I can think of better things to do with one's time.

I have MS.  I am not seeing anything to get your knickers all in a knot about.

Am I handicapped?  It all depends on one's point of view, I guess.

There are some things that are difficult for me to do now, that weren't before. Others that are impossible. Do I wish my body worked like it used to? Sure, it made certain parts of life easier.

Would I be offended if someone told me I needed a different body? Why should I choose that reaction?  I'd probably agree with them, but I know there's currently no cure so why put my focus there?

I imagine that when I do get my perfected body, I'll be more appreciative than most.

Then there is the fact that my MS diagnosis is what prompted a member (also with MS) to share their testimony with me, which led to my joining the church.

If MS is what it took to get me to where I am today, then I am grateful to have MS.

Sorry to hear about your MS.  My mother and sister have it as well.  My mother was diagnosed around 40 years ago.  I've always admired her attitude.  Whenever anyone asks her how she's doing, she always replies "fine." (or some variation of that).  It's been a lesson to me whenever I feel like things are too much in my life.