Damien the Leper Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 On 2/1/2016 at 1:51 AM, Jim Stiles said: Luther was apparently of the opinion that the evangelical churches of his day were the heirs to the churches of the ecumenical creeds: No. Get a better understanding of history. Luther merely wanted Rome to get their act together.
Damien the Leper Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 Just now, Valentinus said: No. Get a better understanding of history. Luther merely wanted Rome to get their act together. The heretics of the Westminster Confession have no place in the universal church. 1
Russell C McGregor Posted February 9, 2016 Posted February 9, 2016 On 08/02/2016 at 1:49 AM, Jim Stiles said: The only conviction that I am aware of was made in a bench trial without a jury. Yes, he was convicted of being a disorderly person and an imposter. http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no68.htm Actually no, he wasn't convicted. He was discharged without conviction. The document you've cited isn't an official court record. And there is an outstanding Call For References before you. Support or retract, please. 2
Jim Stiles Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/8/2016 at 9:56 AM, Raingirl said: Interesting. Earlier in this thread you made a very specific claim about something you remembered from the '70s (for which a CFR was issued, with no response from you). I cannot provide a reference for an oral communication made back in the 1970s. You can't either.
Jim Stiles Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/9/2016 at 6:19 PM, Russell C McGregor said: Actually no, he wasn't convicted. He was discharged without conviction. The document you've cited isn't an official court record. And there is an outstanding Call For References before you. Support or retract, please. No, if he was not found guilty, then he would not have had to pay the fine of $2.68.
Jim Stiles Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 I hereby retract all claims made about what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in West Virginia said or did not said about the polygamy of Joseph Smith Jr. between Jan 1, 1970 and Dec 31, 1979.
Jim Stiles Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/9/2016 at 3:41 AM, Valentinus said: The heretics of the Westminster Confession have no place in the universal church. I suppose it all depends upon what you consider the universal church to be.
Popular Post Russell C McGregor Posted February 16, 2016 Popular Post Posted February 16, 2016 11 minutes ago, Jim Stiles said: No, if he was not found guilty, then he would not have had to pay the fine of $2.68. That $2.68 is not a fine. It's the judge's bill to the county for his own fee for his time. 6
Jeanne Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 On 2/8/2016 at 11:07 AM, JLHPROF said: This is very sad. The faith of these wives of the prophet should be honored. I would have given anything for a class/discussion in RS. 1
Damien the Leper Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 18 hours ago, Jim Stiles said: I suppose it all depends upon what you consider the universal church to be. The universal church as set forth by the ECFs adheres to the canons of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. Protestantism falls outside that. This isn't difficult to understand.
Damien the Leper Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 19 hours ago, Russell C McGregor said: That $2.68 is not a fine. It's the judge's bill to the county for his own fee for his time. Now you're just splitting hairs. ;-) But only to those who want to find guilt with Joseph. I do not.
JLHPROF Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 (edited) 19 hours ago, Jeanne said: I would have given anything for a class/discussion in RS. I would love to see a series of lessons in Relief Society on the lives of the wives of Joseph Smith (and other notable women from the early Church). Heck, I'd love to see these lessons in Sunday School or even maybe special combined PH/RS weeks. We should be teaching about Eliza R. Snow, Zina Huntington, Mary Lightner, Emmeline B. Wells, Susa Young Gates, and so many others. Their faith and their testimonies (even of polygamy) should be taught and shared. And inasmuch as some were in positions of authority like RS President, their teachings to the sisters shouldn't be forgotten either. Edited February 16, 2016 by JLHPROF 3
Jim Stiles Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 1 hour ago, Valentinus said: The universal church as set forth by the ECFs adheres to the canons of the 7 Ecumenical Councils. Protestantism falls outside that. This isn't difficult to understand. ECF means what? Some forms of Protestantism do not fall outside of the text of the ecumenical creeds.
Jeanne Posted February 16, 2016 Posted February 16, 2016 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: I would love to see a series of lessons in Relief Society on the lives of the wives of Joseph Smith (and other notable women from the early Church). Heck, I'd love to see these lessons in Sunday School or even maybe special combined PH/RS weeks. We should be teaching about Eliza R. Snow, Zina Huntington, Mary Lightner, Emmeline B. Wells, Susa Young Gates, and so many others. Their faith and their testimonies (even of polygamy) should be taught and shared. And inasmuch as some were in positions of authority like RS President, their teachings to the sisters shouldn't be forgotten either. For LDS women..I so agree. It would be extremely helpful for some older women to even realize that he did marry before and after Emma..their stories and who they are Some women just totally think Emma was his one and only.
Vance Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 5 hours ago, JLHPROF said: I would love to see a series of lessons in Relief Society on the lives of the wives of Joseph Smith (and other notable women from the early Church). Heck, I'd love to see these lessons in Sunday School or even maybe special combined PH/RS weeks. We should be teaching about Eliza R. Snow, Zina Huntington, Mary Lightner, Emmeline B. Wells, Susa Young Gates, and so many others. Their faith and their testimonies (even of polygamy) should be taught and shared. And inasmuch as some were in positions of authority like RS President, their teachings to the sisters shouldn't be forgotten either. How would this fit within the 4 fold mission of the Church?
JLHPROF Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 14 minutes ago, Vance said: How would this fit within the 4 fold mission of the Church? As well as any other historical lessons in the manuals that are used to teach gospel principles. Silly question. 1
Damien the Leper Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Jim Stiles said: ECF means what? Some forms of Protestantism do not fall outside of the text of the ecumenical creeds. Early Church Fathers
Tacenda Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, JLHPROF said: As well as any other historical lessons in the manuals that are used to teach gospel principles. Silly question. I guess it's only okay to teach about the males in this church. I might just be in a snarky mood, but it's how I feel. When has there ever been lessons in RS/PH about women, specifically? When are the young women in the church going to see this? I say young because I wonder if it will even happen in my lifetime.
Avatar4321 Posted February 17, 2016 Posted February 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I guess it's only okay to teach about the males in this church. I might just be in a snarky mood, but it's how I feel. When has there ever been lessons in RS/PH about women, specifically? When are the young women in the church going to see this? I say young because I wonder if it will even happen in my lifetime. Frequently
Vance Posted February 21, 2016 Posted February 21, 2016 On 2/17/2016 at 7:52 PM, JLHPROF said: As well as any other historical lessons in the manuals that are used to teach gospel principles. Silly question. Really? So all church history is equally valuable to the mission of the Church? I don't think so!
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