Damien the Leper Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 https://justlds.wistia.com/medias/tr1i4a3isd This is weak and alleviates no skepticism. I'm a little embarrassed to share it but thought it deserved criticism. 1
Bobbieaware Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 41 minutes ago, halconero said: The confirmation bias is real. For those who believe the heartland model may turn out to be true, these linguistic coincidents are certainly more encoragimg than discouraging. I would imagine that if the same similarities could be demonstrated for the Mayan language and the Anthon transcript that at least some of the mesoamerican advocates would be encouraged as well. 1
BookofMormonLuvr Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bobbieaware said: For those who believe the heartland model may turn out to be true, these linguistic coincidents are certainly more encoragimg than discouraging. I would imagine that if the same similarities could be demonstrated for the Mayan language and the Anthon transcript that at least some of the mesoamerican advocates would be encouraged as well. Tru dat!
ksfisher Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 "Father Le Clercq, a Roman Catholic missionary on the Gaspé Peninsula in New France from 1675, claimed that he had seen some Míkmaq children 'writing' symbols on birchbark as a memory aid. This was sometimes done by pressing porcupine quills directly into the bark in the shape of symbols. Le Clercq adapted those symbols to writing prayers, developing new symbols as necessary. This adapted writing system proved popular among Mi'kmaq, and was still in use in the 19th century. Since there is no historical or archaeological evidence of these symbols from before the arrival of this missionary, it is unclear how ancient the use of the mnemonic glyphs was. The relationship of these symbols with Mi'kmaq petroglyphs is also unclear." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi%27kmaq_hieroglyphic_writing 1
PeterPear Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 3 hours ago, Valentinus said: https://justlds.wistia.com/medias/tr1i4a3isd This is weak and alleviates no skepticism. I'm a little embarrassed to share it but thought it deserved criticism. What are you claiming? That the Prophet Joseph Smith was a fraud and a liar because he didn't copy Maya glyphs from the Gold Plates? Is that what you believe? That Joseph Smith lied?
rodheadlee Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bobbieaware said: For those who believe the heartland model may turn out to be true, these linguistic coincidents are certainly more encoragimg than discouraging. I would imagine that if the same similarities could be demonstrated for the Mayan language and the Anthon transcript that at least some of the mesoamerican advocates would be encouraged as well. Well actually the same symbols are found on a seal that was found in Mexico in 1921. "Characters in the authentic Anthon transcript(s) have been reported on two "Mexican seals made of baked clay" dating from no later than 400 B.C. Non-LDS archaeologists have remarked on this "hitherto unknown writing system" which "closely resemble various oriental scripts ranging from Burma and China to the rim of the Mediterranean," which if authentic "would almost surely be...an instance of transpacific contact during the Preclassic [pre-A.D. 400]." Other examples of the same script may also have been found between 1921 and 1932" This was quoted from fairmormon. http://fr.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon/Translation/Anthon_transcript#Modern_era Edited January 24, 2016 by rodheadlee 1
Damien the Leper Posted January 24, 2016 Author Posted January 24, 2016 19 hours ago, PeterPear said: What are you claiming? That the Prophet Joseph Smith was a fraud and a liar because he didn't copy Maya glyphs from the Gold Plates? Is that what you believe? That Joseph Smith lied? I'm saying that I'm skeptical of what the link is claiming. I do not believe the claims of JS as I am no longer LDS. I don't know that he lied. At best, for me personally, he had a special experience of some kind.
Calm Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 (edited) Who is the guy speaking? He apparently references Barry Fell as an authority. It is unfortunate that this is being allowed to be taught in an LDS building (I assume a RS room from the look, they are often used for Sunday fireside classes) Edited January 24, 2016 by Calm
RevTestament Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Calm said: Who is the guy speaking? He apparently references Barry Fell as an authority. It is unfortunate that this is being allowed to be taught in an LDS building (I assume a RS room from the look, they are often used for Sunday fireside classes) Do U believe Barry Fell was a quack? Although his expertise was in marine science, he was by no means a dummy. At least one or two archaeologists have given him credit for pointing out previously unrecognized writings in America.
Calm Posted January 24, 2016 Posted January 24, 2016 Quote At least one or two archaeologists have given him credit for pointing out previously unrecognized writings in America. cfr please
piccione Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 For a more in depth discussion of the reformed Egyptian and the Anthon transcript you can access a free pdf book at www.caractors.org
Five Solas Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 I find myself wishing I could meet this guy. Over a beer (root beer for him as he'd likely wish to keep up appearances and/or not risk a truly candid moment). I want to understand. Has he had some supernatural, inexplicable encounter and truly believes this stuff has merit? Or is there something else--something a little more terrestrial going on? And would I have the discernment to make the call? It would be worth a couple hours some evening to answer any of those questions. At The Kraken, a short walk from here. I'm putting the offer out there--if anyone can connect me. I promise a full report... :0) --Erik
RevTestament Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 On 1/24/2016 at 3:47 PM, Calm said: cfr please David H. Kelley, an archaeologist at the University of Calgary who is credited with a major breakthrough in the decipherment of Mayan glyphs, complained about Fell in a 1990 essay: "Fell's work [contains] major academic sins, the three worst being distortion of data, inadequate acknowledgment of predecessors, and lack of presentation of alternative views." In the same essay, however, Kelley went on to state that "I have no personal doubts that some of the inscriptions which have been reported are genuine Celtic ogham." Kelley concluded: "Despite my occasional harsh criticism of Fell's treatment of individual inscriptions, it should be recognized that without Fell's work there would be no [North American] ogham problem to perplex us. We need to ask not only what Fell has done wrong in his epigraphy, but also where we have gone wrong as archaeologists in not recognizing such an extensive European presence in the New World."[10]
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