nealr Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 What a time to be a live, eh? Seer stones pictures are all the rage these days. Book of Mormon Central just added the following image to their archive: It is from Anthony Sweat, the same artist that did the seer-stone-in-hat images last year. This is Joseph finding his seer stone while digging a well. It can be found at:http://www.archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/gazelem-stone While I am at it, his picture of the translation is also in the archive: http://www.archive.bookofmormoncentral.org/content/gift-and-power-god We are still seeking permission to post his other images of the translation. The image is on display at the Springville Art Museum, if anyone is interested. I'd be curious to hear what others think of the image. 4
consiglieri Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I think it is a step in the right direction. But it still seems a bit cleaned up. I mean, how does Joseph dig this deep into a well and not get any dirt on his clothes or body, not to mention his pick-axe? And it doesn't look like a well.
Popular Post Storm Rider Posted January 14, 2016 Popular Post Posted January 14, 2016 Yeah, it would be a better piece of art if it was looking down into a 30 foot, narrow hole while someone was shining a candle down and all we could see was the whites of his eyes because he was caked in filth. Then over the hole there should be a huge sign saying, CON MAN AT WORK, while Joseph was reaching for one of 200 hundred little rocks, all looking the same. It could have a little dialogue balloon saying, "This is the One" to let everyone know the jerk could not really tell one stone from another since they were all the same. Now that would be artwork! Consig, do you really have to be such a ..... contrarian all the time? What compels you? 7
Ahab Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 He's just not "enjoying" full fellowship in the Church. Oh, and that's not what my seer stone looks like either.
Nevo Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I don't really enjoy Sweat's artistic style, but I'm glad he's exploring these themes. Hopefully others will follow his lead (I'd love to see Walter Rane take on Joseph's scrying). 1
halconero Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 2 hours ago, consiglieri said: I think it is a step in the right direction. But it still seems a bit cleaned up. I mean, how does Joseph dig this deep into a well and not get any dirt on his clothes or body, not to mention his pick-axe? And it doesn't look like a well. Some people will just never be satisfied.
consiglieri Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 You know, I DID start my critique off with a compliment. But I think my observations are not wholly without merit.
phaedrus ut Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 There seem to be a lot of rocks in that picture. How do you tell the difference between a seer stone and a regular old rock? Phaedrus
Nevo Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 7 minutes ago, consiglieri said: You know, I DID start my critique off with a compliment. But I think my observations are not wholly without merit. No, only a black-hearted critic of the church would say that the well doesn't look like a well. The white tunic is symbolic of course, as any true Saint can discern. 2
Ahab Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 14 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said: There seem to be a lot of rocks in that picture. How do you tell the difference between a seer stone and a regular old rock? Phaedrus By what a seer can see with a seer stone.
The Nehor Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Ahab said: He's just not "enjoying" full fellowship in the Church. Oh, and that's not what my seer stone looks like either. Not all seerstones look alike. Trying to be the next Hiram Page?
Ahab Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 21 minutes ago, consiglieri said: You know, I DID start my critique off with a compliment. But I think my observations are not wholly without merit. Not if he had just started to dig the well in dry ground with a new pick he had just got for digging the well and he found a good rock to use as a seer stone before he got his pick and the back and right side of his clothes dirty. That's a pretty good depiction of that.
Crypto Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 I like the rendering of this picture much better than the one with a hat. 1
nosmelone Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 Hey Neal, I have a picture I did of Joseph Smith translating via the seer stone that I did a while back while looking into his hat. I assume you know who this is I do artwork for BOMCentral just incase you guys would like it for your archive. I already have quite a bit of my artwork in their archive. I do like the Joseph digging the well but the critiques are correct he should be a bit dirtier. 1
nealr Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 41 minutes ago, nosmelone said: Hey Neal, I have a picture I did of Joseph Smith translating via the seer stone that I did a while back while looking into his hat. I assume you know who this is I do artwork for BOMCentral just incase you guys would like it for your archive. I already have quite a bit of my artwork in their archive. I do like the Joseph digging the well but the critiques are correct he should be a bit dirtier. Please send it to us and we will add it. Thanks.
consiglieri Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, phaedrus ut said: There seem to be a lot of rocks in that picture. How do you tell the difference between a seer stone and a regular old rock? Phaedrus By the "spiritual light" coming off it.
longview Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, Ahab said: By what a seer can see with a seer stone. Indubitably. The deeper you dig, the darker the surroundings in the pit. The darker it gets, the more likely a SEER will see that SOFT glow of the seer stone.
Robert F. Smith Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, nosmelone said: Hey Neal, I have a picture I did of Joseph Smith translating via the seer stone that I did a while back while looking into his hat. I assume you know who this is I do artwork for BOMCentral just incase you guys would like it for your archive. I already have quite a bit of my artwork in their archive. I do like the Joseph digging the well but the critiques are correct he should be a bit dirtier. How about story-boarding the various accounts of finding seerstones (Sally Chase giving him one; did she have a thing for him?), and his method of translation -- with cutaway versions of the old white hat, Joseph's face fully inside, bright letters shining on the seerstone, seated opposite Cowdery at the large table, with a stack of foolscap paper nearby on the table. During translating, people would come and go, some sitting in the room and watching. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted January 15, 2016 Posted January 15, 2016 5 hours ago, nealr said: What a time to be a live, eh? Seer stones pictures are all the rage these days. Book of Mormon Central just added the following image to their archive: Gazelem, a Stone One wonders what the title of your OP means: Is Gazelem the name of the stone, or of the servant who wields it? We do know that Joseph was identified as Gazelam in an old version of D&C 78:9, 82:11, and 104:26,4. Blake Ostler has apparently suggested that the etymology is based on Northwest Semitic gzl, gṣl, ģzl, ģṣl, with a dual ending -êm,[1] thus deriving from Hebrew gāzal, gāzēl, gēzel, gĕzēlâ, “tear off, seize, rob, loot; robbery” (Lev 5:23, 19:13, Deut 28:31, Isa 10:2, Jer 21:12, Ezk 18:7,12,16,18, Mic 3:2, Eccles 16:13), cognate with Arabic jazala “cut in two, halve.”[2] [1] See P. Y. Hoskisson, “Urim and Thummim” in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism (1992), IV:1499-1500. [2] Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the OT, I:186; D. Clines, ed., Dictionary of Classical Hebrew (Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), II:339-340; cf. Ostler, Dialogue, 20/1 (Spring 1987):72-73; online at https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V20N01_68.pdf .
nealr Posted January 15, 2016 Author Posted January 15, 2016 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: One wonders what the title of your OP means: Is Gazelem the name of the stone, or of the servant who wields it? We do know that Joseph was identified as Gazelam in an old version of D&C 78:9, 82:11, and 104:26,4. Blake Ostler has apparently suggested that the etymology is based on Northwest Semitic gzl, gṣl, ģzl, ģṣl, with a dual ending -êm,[1] thus deriving from Hebrew gāzal, gāzēl, gēzel, gĕzēlâ, “tear off, seize, rob, loot; robbery” (Lev 5:23, 19:13, Deut 28:31, Isa 10:2, Jer 21:12, Ezk 18:7,12,16,18, Mic 3:2, Eccles 16:13), cognate with Arabic jazala “cut in two, halve.”[2] [1] See P. Y. Hoskisson, “Urim and Thummim” in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism (1992), IV:1499-1500. [2] Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the OT, I:186; D. Clines, ed., Dictionary of Classical Hebrew (Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), II:339-340; cf. Ostler, Dialogue, 20/1 (Spring 1987):72-73; online at https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V20N01_68.pdf . The title of the post is the title of the image, decided on by the artist.
consiglieri Posted January 15, 2016 Posted January 15, 2016 16 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: One wonders what the title of your OP means: Is Gazelem the name of the stone, or of the servant who wields it? We do know that Joseph was identified as Gazelam in an old version of D&C 78:9, 82:11, and 104:26,4. Blake Ostler has apparently suggested that the etymology is based on Northwest Semitic gzl, gṣl, ģzl, ģṣl, with a dual ending -êm,[1] thus deriving from Hebrew gāzal, gāzēl, gēzel, gĕzēlâ, “tear off, seize, rob, loot; robbery” (Lev 5:23, 19:13, Deut 28:31, Isa 10:2, Jer 21:12, Ezk 18:7,12,16,18, Mic 3:2, Eccles 16:13), cognate with Arabic jazala “cut in two, halve.”[2] [1] See P. Y. Hoskisson, “Urim and Thummim” in the Encyclopedia of Mormonism (1992), IV:1499-1500. [2] Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the OT, I:186; D. Clines, ed., Dictionary of Classical Hebrew (Sheffield Academic Press, 1995), II:339-340; cf. Ostler, Dialogue, 20/1 (Spring 1987):72-73; online at https://dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V20N01_68.pdf . Here is an interesting piece from last year that posits a different etymology--that the "Gazelem" is actually a "Gazelle Stone." http://rationalfaiths.com/a-book-of-mormon-mystery/
volgadon Posted January 15, 2016 Posted January 15, 2016 13 minutes ago, consiglieri said: Here is an interesting piece from last year that posits a different etymology--that the "Gazelem" is actually a "Gazelle Stone." http://rationalfaiths.com/a-book-of-mormon-mystery/ This is the kind of piece that I enjoy much more from you, nice mystery, but your etymology is all over the place.
Robert F. Smith Posted January 15, 2016 Posted January 15, 2016 (edited) 12 hours ago, consiglieri said: Here is an interesting piece from last year that posits a different etymology--that the "Gazelem" is actually a "Gazelle Stone." http://rationalfaiths.com/a-book-of-mormon-mystery/ Thank you so much for that, Counselor. The relevant sections (with documentation) will immediately go into a much larger database. The study of Mormonism is and must needs be a group effort. First time I have read your blog. Nicely done. Edited January 16, 2016 by Robert F. Smith
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