Damien the Leper Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) Can you expand on this, ERay? Edited August 17, 2015 by Valentinus
Kenngo1969 Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I'm neither a husband nor a father, but I'm sure there are husbands and fathers here who can testify that they have received revelation and inspiration for their families (likewise with wives and mothers); I've never been a bishop or a stake president, but I'm sure there are current and former stake presidents and bishops here who can testify that they have received revelation for their stakes and wards; I have received revelation and inspiration for me personally (though I'm tempted to think that, in some instances, I've gotten my wires crossed: Damn law degree! ... ) I have received revelation and inspiration as a teacher, and in counseling with those with whom I have counseled in a support role ... counselor, executive secretary, secretary, et cetera ... and I've seen it fall upon others. The process of calling an apostle, and of receiving revelation as a member of the Quorum of the Twelve or of the Quorum of the First Presidency, isn't much different. The men responsible for determining the Lord's will in the matter, and for making other decisions within their stewardships in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, have long experience with it which has prepared them well for the roles they now fulfill. Edited August 17, 2015 by Kenngo1969 1
ERayR Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) My NSHO is that anyone who relies on the process of personal revelation,regularly, in their own lives would have no problem with the revelatory process. Can you expand on this, ERay? If one is in the habit of seeking and receiving personal revelation they are already familiar with the process of revelation and would only need to expand the process to their new calling and responsibilities. Edited August 17, 2015 by ERayR 2
theplains Posted August 17, 2015 Posted August 17, 2015 http://eom.byu.edu/index.php/Holy_of_Holies Thanks. Does each temple have one? Jim
hagoth7 Posted August 18, 2015 Posted August 18, 2015 (edited) My apologies to the forum for being a bit too lighthearted earlier in this thread. I glanced through the thread so quickly that its sacred nature didn't quite register. If a mod would be kind enough to remove that earlier post, I would appreciate it. I try no to take myself too seriously, but that kind of levity seems a bit inappropriate in a thread of this nature.http://www.deseretnews.com/top/2075/0/20-little-known-facts-about-the-Mormon-Angel-Moroni-statue-.html"Why does the statue hold a trumpet?"The trumpet, which is held in Moroni's right hand, symbolizes the spreading of the gospel and the Second Coming of the Savior. In Matthew 24:31, it states that the angels with trumpets will gather the righteous together for the coming of the Lord. Every statue of the Angel Moroni atop a temple has this symbol."Source: New Era magazineThe mention of the horn brings up an interesting thought. Based on the link, in Jewish tradition, the horn used by the priests to call people to gather for worship for the high-holy days of Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashana was the shofar, traditionally a ram's horn. (My wife and I once attended such an event at a Messianic Jewish congregation. Very memorable.) There appears to be a correlation here between such a trumpet/horn calling people to gather/worship, and the prophetic blessing given to the descendants of Joseph by Moses for their prophetic role in the pushing (gathering?) of the people with their horns. Has this been brought up elsewhere? (I would imagine it has.) Thoughts? Edited August 18, 2015 by hagoth7 1
Okrahomer Posted August 21, 2015 Author Posted August 21, 2015 My apologies to the forum for being a bit too lighthearted earlier in this thread. I glanced through the thread so quickly that its sacred nature didn't quite register. If a mod would be kind enough to remove that earlier post, I would appreciate it. I try no to take myself too seriously, but that kind of levity seems a bit inappropriate in a thread of this nature.The mention of the horn brings up an interesting thought. Based on the link, in Jewish tradition, the horn used by the priests to call people to gather for worship for the high-holy days of Yom Kippur and Rosh Hashana was the shofar, traditionally a ram's horn. (My wife and I once attended such an event at a Messianic Jewish congregation. Very memorable.) There appears to be a correlation here between such a trumpet/horn calling people to gather/worship, and the prophetic blessing given to the descendants of Joseph by Moses for their prophetic role in the pushing (gathering?) of the people with their horns. Has this been brought up elsewhere? (I would imagine it has.) Thoughts? I had read the article I linked from the Deseret News very recently, so it came to mind quickly when I saw the question from "theplains." I had always assumed that Moroni's trumpet was symbolic of some kind of "call" or announcement; but I had never made the connection to the Jewish high-holy days or Moses' blessing of Joseph descendants. Thanks for drawing attention to it. (BTW: I wasn't offended by your earlier post--this is after all the social forum. ) 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted August 23, 2015 Posted August 23, 2015 Joseph Smith was my 6th great grandfather. Can I claim any leadership role in the church having descended from our first prophet?
hagoth7 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) ...(BTW: I wasn't offended by your earlier post--this is after all the social forum. )In that case, I have to admit that after catching myself in yet another unintentional head bob in church today, this song briefly came to mind and made me smile. OK, call me irreverent. I dare ya Edited August 24, 2015 by hagoth7 1
Kenngo1969 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) ... OK, call me irreverent. I dare ya You're irreverent! P.S.: Once in my life, I'd like to conduct a meeting so that I can announce a fake closing hymn: "We'd like to thank everyone who has participated in our meeting today. Our closing hymn will be #248, Up, Awake, Ye Defenders of Zion," just to see what the reaction of some in the congregation would be. Edited August 24, 2015 by Kenngo1969
Kenngo1969 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Joseph Smith was my 6th great grandfather. Can I claim any leadership role in the church having descended from our first prophet?My Young Padawan, don't forget what John the Baptist told those of his day who were confident their lineage would save them: "God is able of these stones to raise up children of Abraham" (or, for that matter, of Joseph Smith). It's what Christ did, in concert with what we do, that will save us, not our lineage.
Okrahomer Posted August 24, 2015 Author Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) In that case, I have to admit that after catching myself in yet another unintentional head bob in church today, this song briefly came to mind and made me smile.OK, call me irreverent. I dare ya Edit:Wow, IRREVERENT! :-)I quite like Rascal Flats, or at least there was a time when I did. I hadn't ever heard this one though, so I guess my devotion has been slipping. Edited August 25, 2015 by Okrahomer
Avatar4321 Posted August 25, 2015 Posted August 25, 2015 I had read the article I linked from the Deseret News very recently, so it came to mind quickly when I saw the question from "theplains." I had always assumed that Moroni's trumpet was symbolic of some kind of "call" or announcement; but I had never made the connection to the Jewish high-holy days or Moses' blessing of Joseph descendants. Thanks for drawing attention to it. (BTW: I wasn't offended by your earlier post--this is after all the social forum. )Considering how many of the events of the restoration occurred around Jewish high holy days it really is amazing.Joseph got the plates from Moroni on Rosh Hashanah. Elijah came with the sealing power during Passover when the Jewish tradition has them leaving a seat for Elijah at the table.
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