Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Personally, I am uncomfortable with advocating anybody’s excommunication. For starters, I am not a judge in Israel, let alone a judge in Israel with stewardship over any of the individuals who have advocated its removal. But if it is OK for a member to publicly advocate removal of scriptures from the D&C, why would it not be OK for someone to publicly advocate removing him from the Church?I can see a qualitative difference between saying some individual ought to be excommunicated and opining that in theory some act should warrant excommunication. To take an extreme example by way of illustration, is there anyone here who would seriously dispute that serial murder calls for excommunication or that it's inappropriate to say or assume so? What if you're earnestly and kindly trying to warn someone away from some potentially damaging behavior? Would it not be appropriate to give a considered opinion about its potential consequence up to and including Church discipline? Edited April 25, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Evidently not Revelation with a capitol "R"When does "revelation" ever take a capital R ? Link to comment
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I'm confident any reasonable mind will recognize the difference between "erring in doctrine" (presumably due to simple ignorance) and aggressively, argumentatively and deliberately taking an advocacy position against the settled doctrine and position of the Church of Jesus Christ and its higher leadership. And doing so is not rendered more acceptable just because having a computer and an Internet connection lets you do it more easily these days. If anything, it's many times worse because the potential to wreak damage is so much greater with minimal effort. You would think so, but there is at least one poster here who has indicated that you should just keep any differing opinion private, and not express it publicly at all. Link to comment
ERayR Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 You would think so, but there is at least one poster here who has indicated that you should just keep any differing opinion private, and not express it publicly at all. I think if you will go back and read for comprehension it was not worded "publicly express" but was worded "publicly proselytize". Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 This strikes me as rationalization.Putting your views on the Internet open to a global readership potentially numbering in the millions carries an implied intent to persuade. Otherwise, why do it?It certainly has greater potential for exposure -- by magnitudes -- than going door-to-door or doing face-to-face contacting, if that's what you mean by "actively proselyting."I wish someone from the church would just put me out of my misery and ex me. Since it wouldn't matter if that or my resignation happened, people would think I sinned. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) You would think so, but there is at least one poster here who has indicated that you should just keep any differing opinion private, and not express it publicly at all.I believe there is wisdom in that due to the average human mind's enormous capacity for rationalization. It's all too easy to minimize overt advocacy as mere expression of opinion. Furthermore, if I found myself in substantive disagreement with the settled position of the Church, it would be cause for worry to me, enough so that I wouldn't be trumpeting it publicly. Edited April 25, 2015 by Scott Lloyd 1 Link to comment
CCRW Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Furthermore, if I found myself in substantive disagreement with the settled position of the Church, it would be cause for worry to me, enough so that I wouldn't be trumpeting it publicly.Sissy Link to comment
ERayR Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I wish someone from the church would just put me out of my misery and ex me. Since it wouldn't matter if that or my resignation happened, people would think I sinned. God would know the difference and it is he who counts not the gossips of the ward. Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I wish someone from the church would just put me out of my misery and ex me. Since it wouldn't matter if that or my resignation happened, people would think I sinned.I refuse to make this discussion about you or any other individual. 1 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) Sissy Look at the newest addition to my signature and say that -- the portion in maroon on the bottom. Edited April 25, 2015 by Scott Lloyd Link to comment
VideoGameJunkie Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Throw out the whole section 132? Even the part that talks about the new and everlasting covenant of marriage needed for kingdoms, thrones, principalities, dominions, powers. That's one of my favrorite sections of scripture. 1 Link to comment
Tacenda Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Throw out the whole section 132? Even the part that talks about the new and everlasting covenant of marriage needed for kingdoms, thrones, principalities, dominions, powers. That's one of my favrorite sections of scripture.I can see how this would be enticing, especially for gamers. Nothing in the scripture sounds like heaven to me. Link to comment
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I think if you will go back and read for comprehension it was not worded "publicly express" but was worded "publicly proselytize". And I followed up with a question to clarify, and the "keep it private" position is the one you stuck to. I am very capable of reading for comprehension. Link to comment
bluebell Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I can see how this would be enticing, especially for gamers. Nothing in the scripture sounds like heaven to me. Col 1:16- "For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: " Everything we receive from God, including thrones, dominions, principalities, or powers, exists because of Him, and glorifies Him. When we receive the blessings He offers, we are worshipping Him. I would be interested though in understanding where your idea of heaven comes from? 3 Link to comment
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I believe there is wisdom in that due to the average human mind's enormous capacity for rationalization. It's all too easy to minimize overt advocacy as mere expression of opinion.Furthermore, if I found myself in substantive disagreement with the settled position of the Church, it would be cause for worry to me, enough so that I wouldn't be trumpeting it publicly.So the thinking HAS been done- good to know. Edited April 25, 2015 by BookofMormonLuvr Link to comment
Popular Post Garden Girl Posted April 25, 2015 Popular Post Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I can see how this would be enticing, especially for gamers. Nothing in the scripture sounds like heaven to me. Pity that, Tacenda... Frankly, I find the promise of being with my loved ones through eternity heavenly... because of the authority of priesthood keys and the sealing power... what a gift... what a heavenly gift, to live each day knowing that if I keep my covenants, I will one day take my dear husband's hand as I step through the veil... GG Edited April 25, 2015 by Garden Girl 7 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 So the thinking HAS been done- good to know.I see you're more interested in cheap shot caricature than good-faith discussion. Good to know. 2 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Pity that, Tacenda... Frankly, I find the promise of being with my loved ones through eternity heavenly... because of the authority of priesthood keys and the sealing power... what a gift... what a heavenly gift, to live each day knowing that if I keep my covenants, I will one day take my dear husband's hand as I step through the veil... GGBless you, Garden Girl. 4 Link to comment
CCRW Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 ... caricature ...What ever happened to the all popular "out of whole cloth" it was such a good one. But caricature does seem to be a much better replacement for it! Link to comment
BookofMormonLuvr Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 I see you're more interested in cheap shot caricature than good-faith discussion. Good to know. Well, your insinuation that those who dare to have questions and express them are somehow less faithful or valiant, is exactly a glowing review. Link to comment
why me Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 (edited) I wish someone from the church would just put me out of my misery and ex me. Since it wouldn't matter if that or my resignation happened, people would think I sinned.Why would they ex you? Of course, you can start by speaking publically about your support for the removal of 132 or begin to support publically what the church would be against. Or you can begin to question the leaders and publically teach that they are liars etc. That would get you exed. And I don't think that people would think that you sinned. Maybe just lost your way like many others. I guess that the point is rather simple: there are no perfect people and so there are no perfect churches. Just look at creflo dollar and his asking for 60 million from his flock for an airplane. Of course his ministry needs a plane so that he can fly here and there. But.... If you want to resign, just resign. Sometimes it is best to leave and maybe come back a new person once the experience on the 'outside' is no longer attractive. Life is too short. Edited April 25, 2015 by why me 2 Link to comment
why me Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Pity that, Tacenda... Frankly, I find the promise of being with my loved ones through eternity heavenly... because of the authority of priesthood keys and the sealing power... what a gift... what a heavenly gift, to live each day knowing that if I keep my covenants, I will one day take my dear husband's hand as I step through the veil... GGSometimes that more 'simple' truths of the faith are overlooked. It certainly does sound like jesus when we think of eternal marriage and happiness. Not to mention the stress on chasity and charity. I have always said that if the world would take the lds faith to heart it would be a more better place to live and grow. But it seems that the world is drawing farther away and look what is happening. 2 Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Well, your insinuation that those who dare to have questions and express them are somehow less faithful or valiant, is exactly a glowing review.Any such insinuation was strictly your own inference. All I did was predict my own behavior in a given circumstance. 1 Link to comment
CCRW Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Hey Scott, can you teach me how you do those macros? Or do you actually that that stuff out every time? Link to comment
Scott Lloyd Posted April 25, 2015 Share Posted April 25, 2015 Hey Scott, can you teach me how you do those macros? Or do you actually that that stuff out every time?I can't figure out what you mean. Oh, do you mean the signature lines at the bottom of my posts? Go to your user profile. Click on "Edit profile". Find "Signature" in the menu and click on it. Write what you want, fancy it up with colors and fonts, etc., then save it. Link to comment
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