Inappropriate Conference Conduct

[jwhitlock]

I am absolutely disgusted by the conduct of those who would vocally disrupt conference in order to push their worldly agendas.

 

Time to weed out the tares.

[Teancum]

Is it not allowed to give a non  sustaining vote?

 

You bet. Kick em all out.  Have your echo chamber. 

[Scott Lloyd]

Is it not allowed to give a non  sustaining vote?

 

You bet. Kick em all out.  Have your echo chamber. 

They are asked to do so by the uplifted hand -- as do those who vote in favor -- not by shrieking out.

[jwhitlock]

Is it not allowed to give a non  sustaining vote?

 

You bet. Kick em all out.  Have your echo chamber. 

 

Not vocally and disruptively as these people did. Your misrepresentation of what happened is duly noted.

[Deborah]

I'm assuming those loud people got escorted out. Not the way to make a point.

[Scott Lloyd]

I'm assuming those loud people got escorted out. Not the way to make a point.

I don't think so. President Uchtdorf said, at the end of the sustainings, that that they may meet with their stake presidents.

 

Whether they do so remains to be seen, I suppose.

[Deborah]

Pres. Uchtdorf kept his cool.

[why me]

This is the sign of the times. This behavior can be seen when public officials give speeches etc. Now it has come to the lds church. Basically such behavior are acts of desperation by those whose voice is not being heard in the greater society and so, they use such tactics to get the media and the presses attention and it usually works. It will be in the SLT etc.

 

So, the world has come to the lds church in its secular protest. No surprise there. It is unfortunate since one gets in to the conference on trust. But it does mean that the church is getting bigger and more diverse in membership where exmembers believe that their message can be more heard by taking their message directly to the lds church in such public ways. Their 15 minutes of fame is then assured. And the members at the conference will be made stronger by seeing such demonstrations and understanding what the future may be for god's church.

Edited April 4, 2015 by why me

[jwhitlock]

Pres. Uchtdorf kept his cool.

 

Yes he did.

 

Wonder how those who organized this outburst are going to spin it.

[Duncan]

it was these mischief makers

 

anyopposed.org

 

according to their twitter feed they are still there

Edited April 4, 2015 by Duncan

[jwhitlock]

This is the sign of the times. This behavior can be seen when public officials give speeches etc. Now it has come to the lds church. Basically such behavior are acts of desperation by those whose voice is not being heard in the greater society and so, they use such tactics to get the media and the presses attention and it usually works. It will be in the SLT etc.

 

So, the world has come to the lds church in its secular protest. No surprise there. It is unfortunate since one gets in to the conference on trust. But it does mean that the church is getting bigger and more diverse in membership where exmembers believe that their message can be more heard by taking their message directly to the lds church in such public ways. Their 15 minutes of fame is then assured.

 

I remember when this tactic was first started by those who supported the ERA. They pulled this stunt several times, and then would leave and hold indignant press conferences outside.

 

IIRC, either President Tanner or President Romney had enough of it at one point, and when they asked for those opposed, they then rolled right over into the next set of sustainings without even acknowledging them.

 

All this vocal disruption does is help your average church member understand how out of touch those "dissenters" are.

[Scott Lloyd]

This is the sign of the times. This behavior can be seen when public officials give speeches etc. Now it has come to the lds church. Basically such behavior are acts of desperation by those whose voice is not being heard in the greater society and so, they use such tactics to get the media and the presses attention and it usually works. It will be in the SLT etc.

 

So, the world has come to the lds church in its secular protest. No surprise there. It is unfortunate since one gets in to the conference on trust. But it does mean that the church is getting bigger and more diverse in membership where exmembers believe that their message can be more heard by taking their message directly to the lds church in such public ways. Their 15 minutes of fame is then assured. And the members at the conference will be made stronger by seeing such demonstrations and understanding what the future may be for god's church.

I agree this is a sign of the times, but it is not unprecedented. Some four decades ago, ERA protesters came to several general conferences and shouted out during the sustainings. They came so often that eventually their disruption was just ignored.

[Sevenbak]

There was three standing together and one in another section way over, no more than four total from what I could tell. They were just loud. I won't post vid because I don't want to give them press, but I shot it to cover my butt.

[jwhitlock]

I agree this is a sign of the times, but it is not unprecedented. Some four decades ago, ERA protesters came to several general conferences and shouted out during the sustainings. They came so often that eventually their disruption was just ignored.

 

Same wavelength?

[jwhitlock]

There was three standing together and one in another section way over, no more than four total from what I could tell. They were just loud. I won't post vid because I don't want to give them press, but I shot it to cover my butt.

 

Hardly packing the conference hall, as they wanted to do. Hopefully it will fizzle out, as anything inane like this should.

[tonie]

I am absolutely disgusted by the conduct of those who would vocally disrupt conference in order to push their worldly agendas.

 

Did you witness it live at the Conference Center? On KSL (tv). Turned on the TV at about the time the new Seventies were being sustained?  I did note that there were men in suits standing the isle looking over the crowd.  Not knowing if anything had happened, I thought they were there just in case someone caused a ruckus.

 

[The Nehor]

I like how they are given less attention. In some previous conferences they were asked to meet with an apostle or with a member of the First Presidency. This time they are pushed further down the totem pole to make their objections less effective. A thrilling and probably false story of them defying an apostle is replaced by a chance to complain to the Stake President, an option already available.

[jwhitlock]

Did you witness it live at the Conference Center? On KSL (tv). Turned on the TV at about the time the new Seventies were being sustained?  I did note that there were men in suits standing the isle looking over the crowd.  Not knowing if anything had happened, I thought they were there just in case someone caused a ruckus.

 

 

Just watching it on the web. I'm on the east coast.

[Teancum]

They are asked to do so by the uplifted hand -- as do those who vote in favor -- not by shrieking out.

 

 

Did they shriek?   I did not know that.  Sure that is out of line. 

 

But can the sustainer see the uplifted hands?

[Teancum]

Not vocally and disruptively as these people did. Your misrepresentation of what happened is duly noted.

 

 

I am not there nor did I hear it. 

 

You are the one advocating eliminating the tares. Your misrepresentation of my position is duly noted.

[Coreyb]

I found it completely appropriate. Has anyone stood at the pulpit of the conference and looked out at the vast auditorium? How else could the votes be noted if the few opposers did not raise their voices (and no I did not hear any "shrieking")? Why call for opposing votes if not to note any there happen to be? It is perfectly fine to oppose, and we need not be so easily offended.

Edited April 4, 2015 by Coreyb

[Teancum]

I agree this is a sign of the times, but it is not unprecedented. Some four decades ago, ERA protesters came to several general conferences and shouted out during the sustainings. They came so often that eventually their disruption was just ignored.

 

 

Hmmm

 

What a big sign of the time.  It has been 40 years since someone gave an opposing vote.   The world is now falling apart. 

[Teancum]

I found it completely appropriate. Has anyone stood at the pulpit of the conference and looked out at the vast auditorium? How else could the votes be noted if the few opposers did not raise their voices (and no I did not hear any "shrieking")? Why call for opposing votes if not to note any there happen to be? It is perfectly fine to oppose, and we need not be so easily offended.

 

 

With this I agree.

[The Nehor]

Did they shriek?   I did not know that.  Sure that is out of line. 

 

But can the sustainer see the uplifted hands?

 

They yelled "no" very loudly....more then once. If you can hear them on video or audio (and I did quite clearly) they were either yelling or had smuggled in microphones. They were out of line.

[jwhitlock]

I am not there nor did I hear it. 

 

You are the one advocating eliminating the tares. Your misrepresentation of my position is duly noted.

 

What didn't you understand about the OP clearly stating that they were vocally disruptive?