Nofear Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 This is mostly for mfbukowski but others may find it interesting too. How limited we mortal humans our in our perception of reality. How much more can immortal beings perceive. Our senses shape our perception of reality. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans
stemelbow Posted March 25, 2015 Posted March 25, 2015 This is mostly for mfbukowski but others may find it interesting too. How limited we mortal humans our in our perception of reality. How much more can immortal beings perceive. Our senses shape our perception of reality. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humans We see through a glass darkly. Perhaps that is part of what it means to be exalted--to be able to perceive all there is.
Kenngo1969 Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 (edited) I think umwelt is a cool word. That is all! Carry on! Edited March 27, 2015 by Kenngo1969
JLHPROF Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 We see through a glass darkly. Perhaps that is part of what it means to be exalted--to be able to perceive all there is. I think that's exactly what it is - to have past, present, and future constantly before us. - D&C 130:7 But as Joseph Smith taught, it will be a long time after we cross over that we will get to that level. The idea that the second we pop through the veil we will know and understand all things is false. But a lot of faith things will be replaced by knowledge.
The Nehor Posted March 27, 2015 Posted March 27, 2015 We see through a glass darkly. Perhaps that is part of what it means to be exalted--to be able to perceive all there is.The glass darkly is often seen as a window metaphor but it is actually a mirror. Not only do we see the world imperfectly as a reflection but we see ourselves imperfectly.
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 This is mostly for mfbukowski but others may find it interesting too. How limited we mortal humans our in our perception of reality. How much more can immortal beings perceive. Our senses shape our perception of reality. https://www.ted.com/talks/david_eagleman_can_we_create_new_senses_for_humansBump. Just found this. Thanks! Will have more when I have a chance to see the video
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 I think umwelt is a cool word. That is all! Carry on! Oh yeah? Well how about Weltanschauung?
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) Oh yeah? Well how about Weltanschauung? The fact is that this idea of the world being created by our perceptions is very German and that is why you see so many students of German and French philosophy at BYU.Human perception creates the world AS WE know it- there is no way out of that box.And if God is a glorified Human, His perceptions have defined (CALLED)the world as we know it into existence.God called the light "Day", and the darkness he called "Night" And there was "evening" and there was "morning", one "day."In the beginning was the WORD and all was created by the WORD Edited March 28, 2015 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 And we can grow up to be "godlets", because we all create our own little worlds through our perceptions.
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Saw the video, and it is a great explanation as far as it goes. In fact this all goes back at least to Kant, in 1781.Kant argued that our experiences are structured by necessary features of our minds. In his view, the mind shapes and structures experience so that, on an abstract level, all human experience shares certain essential structural features. Among other things, Kant believed that the concepts of space and time are integral to all human experience, as are our concepts of cause and effect.[4] One important consequence of this view is that one never has direct experience of things, the so-called noumenal world, and that what we do experience is the phenomenal world as conveyed by our senses. These claims summarize Kant's views upon the subject–object problem.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanuel_Kant
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 So what is reality? How do we get outside our perceptions, extended or otherwise to see things "as they are"?Can't do it, no pun intended. So that's why I come down on the "correspondence" theory of truth. We can't get outside our perceptions to check them against "things as they are"
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 (edited) Here's some contemporary philosophy about the idea of the way bats experience the world.organizations.utep.edu/portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf Edited March 28, 2015 by mfbukowski
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 The video speaks in terms of learning more about the world but actually contradicts itself.If we can't get outside our perceptions, all we really learn is more about our perceptions.So if we invent a mechanism to allow us to smell as a dog would, we still don't know what it's like to be a dog, we just know what it's like to be a human using an instrument so he can have human perceptions of information dogs perceive as dogs perceive them.We haven't gotten closer to "reality", we have just got a new way to collect human perceptions.
Nofear Posted March 28, 2015 Author Posted March 28, 2015 Glad you enjoyed it. Thought you would. Donald Hoffman gave a talk later in the same TED session. Being a philosopher he was much more explicit in the relationships (and disconnect) between perception and reality. Unfortunately it's also behind a paywall. Only a small portion of the TED talks make it out.
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 The glass darkly is often seen as a window metaphor but it is actually a mirror. Not only do we see the world imperfectly as a reflection but we see ourselves imperfectly.In this context, I see it as looking into the world, and seeing ourselves looking back, imperfectly. What we see when we try to look out, is our own perceptions looking back at us.When we look in a mirror, we do not see ourselves as others see us. Thin women can see themselves as fat, we see our messy hair that others do not even notice.That is just an example of seeing only our own perceptions of reality. Can't get around that, even when thousands see the "same thing", as in science. Science sees only the perceptions of scientists, reflecting their training in observation
mfbukowski Posted March 28, 2015 Posted March 28, 2015 Glad you enjoyed it. Thought you would. Donald Hoffman gave a talk later in the same TED session. Being a philosopher he was much more explicit in the relationships (and disconnect) between perception and reality. Unfortunately it's also behind a paywall. Only a small portion of the TED talks make it out.Sounds like it's worth a few bucks! Thanks again!
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