Fulness Of The Melchizedek Priesthood

[Avatar4321]

How does one enter the melchizedek order?

[JLHPROF]

I don't think your examples about a deacon or elder are appropriate.

D&C 131 speaks about the high test order of the celestial kingdom. Could one obtain this highest order and not have the fullness of the priesthood? That would imply that there was something even higher than the highest order.

 

Of course they are.  We are talking about priesthood.  You seem to be directly connecting the highest degree of the Celstial Kingdom in the next life with the Highest order (fullness) of Priesthood in this one.

 

While there is obviously connection between priesthood and resurrection, they are two separate things.

 

The highest office of priesthood, therefore the fullness of priesthood, that you can receive in this life is that of King & Priest.  The ordinance in which you are ordained to this office comes AFTER you are endowed and married (entered into the New and Everlasting Covenant).  Joseph Smith and Brigham Young who restored and systemized the priesthood ordinances both teach that King & Priest = Fulness of Priesthood.

 

I don't know much clearer that can be.

Edited March 1, 2015 by JLHPROF

[JLHPROF]

How does one enter the melchizedek order?

 

Debatable.

All priesthood is Melchezidek so this could even include the Aaronic.

Being conferred and ordained to the Melchezidek priesthood (oath and covenant) would be one option.

Receiving your endowment and the tokens of the Melchezidek priesthood would be another option of entry into an order.

 

Guess it depends on your persepective.

[Kenngo1969]

I'm Holy Catholic not Roman Catholic, big difference. The Apostles Creed is both a Protestant and Catholic Creed

Are you conceding the legitimacy of the Melchizedek Priesthood?

[Avatar4321]

Debatable.

All priesthood is Melchezidek so this could even include the Aaronic.

Being conferred and ordained to the Melchezidek priesthood (oath and covenant) would be one option.

Receiving your endowment and the tokens of the Melchezidek priesthood would be another option of entry into an order.

 

Guess it depends on your persepective.

women are in the orders too so ordination might not necessarily be a prerequisite

[JLHPROF]

women are in the orders too so ordination might not necessarily be a prerequisite

 

That's what I've been saying about OW.

[The Nehor]

Debatable.

All priesthood is Melchezidek so this could even include the Aaronic.

Being conferred and ordained to the Melchezidek priesthood (oath and covenant) would be one option.

Receiving your endowment and the tokens of the Melchezidek priesthood would be another option of entry into an order.

 

Guess it depends on your persepective.

The Temple brings both men and women into the Priesthood order.

[Avatar4321]

The Temple brings both men and women into the Priesthood order.

it certainly does. And much of the research I've been doing says a better understanding comes only through revelation.

does the endowment bring us onto the order?

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

The Melchezedek Priesthood belongs only to Jesus, the Royal Priesthood belongs to all races and genders of believers or [ Catholic universal ] believers

 

Hebrews 3:1 and complete chapter of Hebrews 7

[teddyaware]

The Melchezedek Priesthood belongs only to Jesus, the Royal Priesthood belongs to all races and genders of believers or [ Catholic universal ] believers

 

Hebrews 3:1 and complete chapter of Hebrews 7

 

I sincerely hope you're going to carefully read and digest the following. I carefully wrote it just for you:

 

The reason why Peter calls the priesthood of the New Testament Church "a ROYAL priesthood" is because those who hold the Melchizedek Priesthood are made both priests AND KINGS, hence Peter's use of the word ROYAl. In case you are unaware of the fact, the etymological origin and definition of the word "ROYAL" means "pertaining to kings." In fact, the prefix "roy" means KING. So when Peter says the priesthood of the New Testament Church is a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, he is saying that said the holders of that priesthood are the kings of eternity. Not coincidentally, the prefix "Mel" in the name/title Melchizedek means KING in Hebrew. Are we beginning to see an undeniable pattern?

 

King Melchizedek of Abraham's day is a king and priest of the most high God; Christ is a king and priest of the most high God; Peter is a king and priest of the most high God (because the priesthood he held is the priesthood of kings); the apostle John and his brethren were also kings and priests to the most high God, as shown by the following words penned by John himself:

 

6 And hath made us (John and his brethren) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (Revelation 1)

 

In addition to all the above witnesses, we find in the Book of Revelation additional multitudes of brethren in heaven who also held this same Roayal Priesthood of divine kingship: 

 

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Revelation 5)

 

By his use of the word royal, Peter was clearly conveying that the New Testament priesthood was a priesthood pertaining to the divine "kings of righteousness" who will rule and reign in eternity. The name/title Melchizedek quite literally also means "king of righteousness." Therefore, the Melchizedek Priesthood and the Royal Priesthood are one and the same.

 

In connection with the above, it's also critically important to understand the Latter-day Saints believe that as joint heirs with Christ they will receive ALL HE POSSESSES by inheritance from His Father; and that includes inheriting, among all other things, the same Royal Priesthood by which he rules and reigns in eternity. If God doesn't mean for there to be any other kings and priests in heaven beside Himself, then He shouldn't be anointing and ordaining others to become kings and priests in eternity,

 

I perceive you want so much for the Latter-day Saints to be wrong on this point that you're closing your mind and missing the obvious. At any rate, if my analysis make no significant impression on you, these biblically-based points of argument most certainly make a powerful and convincing impression on the Latter-day Saints. Without modern revelation and living prophets to guide one's scripture study, all that's left is private interpretation, and that's something the Bible specifically warns against. And remember, the reason why Peter warned against private interpretation of scripture is because at the time he issued that warning there were living prophets (Peter included) on the earth who could definitively settle points of disputed doctrine.

Edited March 2, 2015 by teddyaware

[HOLY CATHOLIC]

teddyaware your post is a figment of your imagination with no Biblical or Book of Mormon support. There is only one King of Righteousness and that is OUR LORD and GOD , Jesus 3 Nephi 19:18, Mosiah 5:15

 

You are suspended from this thread.  Don't use this website to bash. - Ares

[JLHPROF]

teddyaware your post is a figment of your imagination with no Biblical or Book of Mormon support. There is only one King of Righteousness and that is OUR LORD and GOD , Jesus 3 Nephi 19:18, Mosiah 5:15

 

Ah, another drive-by post...

He provided Biblical support.  Just because you disagree doesn't change that.

Priesthood is evident throughout scripture.  You just have to understand it to recognize it when you read it.

 

If there was no priesthood there would be no difference between the 12 apostles and any other Christian.  Peter (or Paul) would have had no more right to lead than the average Christian believer.  Certainly no right to bind or lose on earth or in heaven.

Edited March 2, 2015 by JLHPROF

[teddyaware]

teddyaware your post is a figment of your imagination with no Biblical or Book of Mormon support. There is only one King of Righteousness and that is OUR LORD and GOD , Jesus 3 Nephi 19:18, Mosiah 5:15

 

I don't think it's likely you carefully read and pondered my post, otherwise you wouldn't have presented yourself in the above perfunctory post as someone who is so obtuse. You utterly ignore the fact that your own Bible teaches that there are kings and priests in heaven other than God the Father and Christ. Go argue with the apostle John.

 

And again, you make a fool out of yourself by asserting in your ignorance that the Book of Mormon doesn't teach something it actually does teach! In Alma 13, the prophet Alma teaches the saints all about the Melchizedek Priesthood and tells us that king Melchizedek is one of the foremost holders of that priesthood throughout the ages, but he uses the original titles that were used for the Royal Priesthood long before king Melchizedek was born, those titles being the "High Priesthood of the Holy Order of God" and also the "High Priesthood of the Holy Order of the Son of God."

 

 I do hope you'll carefully read the following verses and then be man enough (or woman enough) to acknowledge your error and publicly apologize to the Latter-day Saints that you were wrong about the Book of Mormon not teaching about the need for the saints to possess the Melchizedek Priesthood (aka the High Priesthood of the Holy Order of God).

 

Please do carefully read the following verses so that you won't make the same mistake again:

 

 

 6 And thus being called by this holy calling, and ordained unto the high priesthood of the holy order of God, to teach his commandments unto the children of men, that they also might enter into his rest—

 7 This high priesthood being after the order of his Son, which order was from the foundation of the world; or in other words, being without beginning of days or end of years, being prepared from eternity to all eternity, according to his foreknowledge of all things—

 8 Now they were ordained after this manner—being called with a holy calling, and ordained with a holy ordinance, and taking upon them the high priesthood of the holy order, which calling, and ordinance, and high priesthood, is without beginning or end—

 9 Thus they become high priests forever, after the order of the Son, the Only Begotten of the Father, who is without beginning of days or end of years, who is full of grace, equity, and truth. And thus it is. Amen.

 10 Now, as I said concerning the holy order, or this high priesthood, there were many who were ordained and became high priests of God; and it was on account of their exceeding faith and repentance, and their righteousness before God, they choosing to repent and work righteousness rather than to perish;

 11 Therefore they were called after this holy order, and were sanctified, and their garments were washed white through the blood of the Lamb.

 12 Now they, after being sanctified by the Holy Ghost, having their garments made white, being pure and spotless before God, could not look upon sin save it were with abhorrence; and there were many, exceedingly great many, who were made pure and entered into the rest of the Lord their God.

 13 And now, my brethren, I would that ye should humble yourselves before God, and bring forth fruit meet for repentance, that ye may also enter into that rest.

14 Yea, humble yourselves even as the people in the days of Melchizedek, who was also a high priest after this same order which I have spoken, who also took upon him the high priesthood forever.

 15 And it was this same Melchizedek to whom Abraham paid tithes; yea, even our father Abraham paid tithes of one-tenth part of all he possessed.

 16 Now these ordinances were given after this manner, that thereby the people might look forward on the Son of God, it being a type of his order, or it being his order, and this that they might look forward to him for a remission of their sins, that they might enter into the rest of the Lord.

 17 Now this Melchizedek was a king over the land of Salem; and his people had waxed strong in iniquity and abomination; yea, they had all gone astray; they were full of all manner of wickedness;

 18 But Melchizedek having exercised mighty faith, and received the office of the high priesthood according to the holy order of God, did preach repentance unto his people. And behold, they did repent; and Melchizedek did establish peace in the land in his days; therefore he was called the prince of peace, for he was the king of Salem; and he did reign under his father.

 19 Now, there were many before him, and also there were many afterwards, but none were greater; therefore, of him they have more particularly made mention (this is why after his birth and kingly reign the High Priesthood after the Order of God was named after the great Melchizedek). (Alma 13)

 

If I perceive your attitude correctly, it's not likely you're going to apologize, but I do sincerely hope you prove me wrong...

Edited March 2, 2015 by teddyaware

[JLHPROF]

I'm Holy Catholic not Roman Catholic, big difference. The Apostles Creed is both a Protestant and Catholic Creed

 

What do you know, HC finally taught me something factual - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Catholic_Church%E2%80%94Western_Rite

 

I was unfamiliar with this protestant splinter sect...I got to learn something new.

[Avatar4321]

I sincerely hope you're going to carefully read and digest the following. I carefully wrote it just for you:

 

The reason why Peter calls the priesthood of the New Testament Church "a ROYAL priesthood" is because those who hold the Melchizedek Priesthood are made both priests AND KINGS, hence Peter's use of the word ROYAl. In case you are unaware of the fact, the etymological origin and definition of the word "ROYAL" means "pertaining to kings." In fact, the prefix "roy" means KING. So when Peter says the priesthood of the New Testament Church is a ROYAL PRIESTHOOD, he is saying that said the holders of that priesthood are the kings of eternity. Not coincidentally, the prefix "Mel" in the name/title Melchizedek means KING in Hebrew. Are we beginning to see an undeniable pattern?

 

King Melchizedek of Abraham's day is a king and priest of the most high God; Christ is a king and priest of the most high God; Peter is a king and priest of the most high God (because the priesthood he held is the priesthood of kings); the apostle John and his brethren were also kings and priests to the most high God, as shown by the following words penned by John himself:

 

6 And hath made us (John and his brethren) kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. (Revelation 1)

 

In addition to all the above witnesses, we find in the Book of Revelation additional multitudes of brethren in heaven who also held this same Roayal Priesthood of divine kingship: 

 

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth. (Revelation 5)

 

By his use of the word royal, Peter was clearly conveying that the New Testament priesthood was a priesthood pertaining to the divine "kings of righteousness" who will rule and reign in eternity. The name/title Melchizedek quite literally also means "king of righteousness." Therefore, the Melchizedek Priesthood and the Royal Priesthood are one and the same.

 

In connection with the above, it's also critically important to understand the Latter-day Saints believe that as joint heirs with Christ they will receive ALL HE POSSESSES by inheritance from His Father; and that includes inheriting, among all other things, the same Royal Priesthood by which he rules and reigns in eternity. If God doesn't mean for there to be any other kings and priests in heaven beside Himself, then He shouldn't be anointing and ordaining others to become kings and priests in eternity,

 

I perceive you want so much for the Latter-day Saints to be wrong on this point that you're closing your mind and missing the obvious. At any rate, if my analysis make no significant impression on you, these biblically-based points of argument most certainly make a powerful and convincing impression on the Latter-day Saints. Without modern revelation and living prophets to guide one's scripture study, all that's left is private interpretation, and that's something the Bible specifically warns against. And remember, the reason why Peter warned against private interpretation of scripture is because at the time he issued that warning there were living prophets (Peter included) on the earth who could definitively settle points of disputed doctrine.

It would explain how David held the melchizedek priesthood.

Would he have been ordained when Samuel annointed him king?

[teddyaware]

It would explain how David held the melchizedek priesthood.

Would he have been ordained when Samuel annointed him king?

 

Interesting point. But in light of a statement from the prophet Joseph Smith, it would appear David's kingship was only in the role of Israel's earthly king, rather than being one of the kings and priests of heaven who reign in eternity by virtue of ordination to the Melchizedek Priesthood...  

 

“Although David was a King he never did obtain the spirit & power of Elijah & the fulness of the Priesthood.” (WJS, 331.)

 

The following excerpt from an article found on the "Faith-Promoting Rumor" website wonders if the fact that David didn't hold the Melchizedek Priesthood wasn't, for him, a very great blessing in disguise. The reason being that if David had committed adultery and murder AFTER having been ordained to a priesthood position of such great power and covenantal responsibility, he might very well have found himself approaching nigh unto the realm of the sons of perdition. So because he sinned against the lesser light David was given the promise of future salvation in one of the heavenly kingdoms of glory by virtue of what we now know as "the sure mercies of David."

 

The article's author goes on to say: 

 

"I have since thought that the connection between David’s two anointings, and Joseph Smith’s understanding of two anointings (especially as they relate to kingship in Israel), are the cause behind Joseph Smith’s clarification of David’s fate. Perhaps Joseph knew that David’s two anointings (or possibly three anointings, counting the 1 Samuel 16 narrative by Samuel) might have appeared to his inner circle, according to the text, that David received the fullness of the priesthood. What would his listeners, who knew about the fullness of the priesthood, think of David after he kills Uriah if indeed David received the same two anointings that they received? Would David, the greatest king Israel had known, be doomed to reside in Hell for eternity? Joseph Smith, I believe, understood this dilemma and set out to clarify it for his audience on March 10, 1844, the discourse mentioned above. For Joseph, David’s two (or three) anointings were not the same as the anointings conferred by the spirit and power of Elijah, which Joseph aptly explains in the same discourse. This would allow for David’s final redemption. Rather, these anointings were the conferral of the kingdom of Israel only, and not to be confused with the rituals which Joseph Smith restored in September of 1843."

 

Read more: http://www.patheos.com/blogs/faithpromotingrumor/2006/04/king-davids-double-anointing/#ixzz3TWwJMSUu

 

But one thing is for certain, just as David's role as king of Israel was a prophetic type of the coming reign of the Messiah, so, too, does his reign as king of Israel serve as a type of Messiah's rulership as a high priest forever after the order of the 'king of righteousness' (Melchizedek). It's also of great significance to note David knew (as did the Nephites) that the Messiah would reign by virtue of being a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek.

 

Because David's reign naturally coincides with the more full order of Messianic worship found in the first Jerusalem temple, I would bet Margaret Barker has many wonderful insights pertaining to the Davidic throne and its connection to the Melchizedek Priesthood. 

Edited March 5, 2015 by teddyaware