Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 You're right. Since the Book of Abraham has nothinhg to do with any thing Egyptian, such a department would be totally useless.Huh? Either way I don't see that as a valid reason for having a department. A testimony is not built on being able to read Egyptian. So from a secular stand point, what reason would there be for having that department? I can think of none. There is not a spiritual reason to have one. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Yes, and Utah has no advanced degrees in ancient Near Eastern studies in general. One must leave the state in order to enter a graduate program in Hebrew or Egyptian. Meantime, you can get an MBA, or a doctorate in engineering. Utahns are very practical.Indeed, we tend to be. We have some very good programs in Utah. Although my mom thinks an MBA is useless. She says you don't need one to run a business. Ha. Edited January 8, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram 1
Ham Clam Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 i appreciate your response. I'd actually downloaded your article before but only read the first 10 pages. I'm caught in a new time bind and won't have time to finish reading your article (which I am glad you Scribd. I love that app) until the 20th of this month.But that's OK. I'm known to have opinions about things I know nothing about. (my kids point that out continuously)I have a problem like that too. For me, I'll learn a little about something then I'll suddenly argue with that little but without knowing much about the subject! Drive myself and everyone around me crazy.
Tacenda Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I have a problem like that too. For me, I'll learn a little about something then I'll suddenly argue with that little but without knowing much about the subject! Drive myself and everyone around me crazy. Give yourself more credit I do this and am a lot older than you, more time to "know" more than I do! Until the other day I thought you were much older and much wiser than myself! Then I read that your only what 21 or 22? Wow! At your age I wouldn't have even bothered with knowing these things.
Ham Clam Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Give yourself more credit I do this and am a lot older than you, more time to "know" more than I do! Until the other day I thought you were much older and much wiser than myself! Then I read that your only what 21 or 22? Wow! At your age I wouldn't have even bothered with knowing these things. I just hate looking like a fool, especially with people i'm trying to win an argument with. Hahaha, that's flattering. I'm picking things up slowly, but i feel like I have a fraction of the knowledge of the more frequent posters on this Board. Sometimes it's tempting to take someone else's (usually an older, more well-read person's) answer without studying much about the topic in dept, so I have to force myself to start reading. (I also could be a little more diligent in my studying ...)I can't imagine being older, married, with kids, ect. and then just be finding out about the 'wider world' of Mormonism. From what I've read from some of your posts, it was very hard for you (not that i'm totally adjusted myself).I was too lazy to attend seminary so many of the basic things I'm learning for the first time through this new lens. I can't say that I know anyone in my YSA branch who has studied these things (so, it's been getting frustrating going to my YSA branch), but I think people know more than I think they do in my home ward.
ERayR Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I just hate looking like a fool, especially with people i'm trying to win an argument with. Hahaha, that's flattering. I'm picking things up slowly, but i feel like I have a fraction of the knowledge of the more frequent posters on this Board. Sometimes it's tempting to take someone else's (usually an older, more well-read person's) answer without studying much about the topic in dept, so I have to force myself to start reading. (I also could be a little more diligent in my studying ...)I can't imagine being older, married, with kids, ect. and then just be finding out about the 'wider world' of Mormonism. From what I've read from some of your posts, it was very hard for you (not that i'm totally adjusted myself).I was too lazy to attend seminary so many of the basic things I'm learning for the first time through this new lens. I can't say that I know anyone in my YSA branch who has studied these things (so, it's been getting frustrating going to my YSA branch), but I think people know more than I think they do in my home ward. A word of advice if I may. As you play in the playpen called The Board you will be exposed to the good, the bad and the ugly. Some of it contrived to present the Church in the most unflattering light possible and also a lot of straw man presentations. Through all this remember and keep in mind that spiritual affirmation that convinced you the Church and its claims were true and measure everything against it. If you haven't gotten that witness get it or the ride might get bumpy. 3
Kenngo1969 Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) Frankly, I'm more interested in BYU getting a medical and/or dental school. Mummies are great, but ....Whatsamatter with the "U's" medical and dental schools, respectively? Edited January 8, 2015 by Kenngo1969
ERayR Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Whatsamatter with the "U's" medical and dental schools, respectively? I mentioned that earlier. The U of U medical facilities are very good.
Avatar4321 Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 Not everyone wants to sell their soul for a medical degree.sorry I couldn't resist
Tacenda Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I just hate looking like a fool, especially with people i'm trying to win an argument with. Hahaha, that's flattering. I'm picking things up slowly, but i feel like I have a fraction of the knowledge of the more frequent posters on this Board. Sometimes it's tempting to take someone else's (usually an older, more well-read person's) answer without studying much about the topic in dept, so I have to force myself to start reading. (I also could be a little more diligent in my studying ...)I can't imagine being older, married, with kids, ect. and then just be finding out about the 'wider world' of Mormonism. From what I've read from some of your posts, it was very hard for you (not that i'm totally adjusted myself).I was too lazy to attend seminary so many of the basic things I'm learning for the first time through this new lens. I can't say that I know anyone in my YSA branch who has studied these things (so, it's been getting frustrating going to my YSA branch), but I think people know more than I think they do in my home ward. I just read over my post to you and am embarrassed that I said "Until the other day I thought you were much older and much wiser than...". I should re do that and say until I saw your age I thought you were much older because you seem so wise! 1
Brian 2.0 Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 (edited) the papyrus that the Book of Abraham was translated from exists, and though the church keeps the original document under lock-and-key, high-resolution scans of it are freely available to anyone via the internet and other resources. False, intra. The papyrus from which the BofA was translated does not exist, even though the three facsimilies can be read. His statement isn't false, it's debatable. There is plenty of evidence to suggest that the papryi the church has in its possession is indeed the papryi used in the translation. There are even believing theories recently discussed on this board which assume that to be true. I will say your next sentence is indeed "true" though. LDS Egyptologists can read the documents you speak of as being freely available, but they are not the BofA. Edited January 8, 2015 by Brian 2.0
Ham Clam Posted January 8, 2015 Posted January 8, 2015 I just read over my post to you and am embarrassed that I said "Until the other day I thought you were much older and much wiser than...". I should re do that and say until I saw your age I thought you were much older because you seem so wise!I'll take it!
Bob Crockett Posted January 9, 2015 Posted January 9, 2015 (edited) It may be shocking to the sensibilities of many, but BYU is more a teaching university rather than a full-fledged doctoral institution, like the UofU or Uof Washington or Cal or UCLA. BYU's curriculum, and its faculty, are geared to putting out bachelors' degrees. BYU is more along the lines of a Cal State Long Beach or USU or UTEP. There are, of course, exceptions; the biggest exception is the education department and its EducDoc program. And smaller exceptions. But most teaching universities offer some doctorates. So, a department of Egyptology would not really support any Bachelor's program, really. Edited January 9, 2015 by Bob Crockett
Robert F. Smith Posted January 12, 2015 Posted January 12, 2015 Huh? Either way I don't see that as a valid reason for having a department. A testimony is not built on being able to read Egyptian. So from a secular stand point, what reason would there be for having that department? I can think of none. There is not a spiritual reason to have one.You might want to consider that there is not a spiritual reason to have an MBA program at BYU, nor for advanced degrees in science and engineering, but there are. Testimonies are not built upon PhDs in physics, or masters degrees in business administration, or juris doctor degrees from the BYU Law School, but people do need jobs and these are some of the professional areas in which they can get trained at BYU. Can you think of any practical reasons why secular studies might be a good thing?
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