The Next 100 Mormon Years

[EllenMaksoud]

If no Second Coming takes place:

 

1. Missionary work will continue with peaks and dips as always. Virtual missionary visits will become a thing.

2. The Church will fight against growing realistic entertainment that sucks us away from the real world.

3. The church will be opposed to unnecessary cybernetic augmentation.

4. As increasing automation frees us from most of economic scarcity the Church will place renewed emphasis on Temple Work, missionary work, self-improvement, and service focusing on emotional help.

5. Homosexual activism will be diminished after World War III.

6. Polygamy will be restored but require permission from Priesthood leaders.

7. There will be a small faction of sister wives seeking to recognize lesbian activity within their marriages.

8. Polyandry will be considered. It may even happen.

9. There will be a shift back to the physical gathering as LDS communities become more detached from the prevailing culture.

10. The Republican party in the US will become borderline fascist; the Democrats will begin a shift towards more extreme market socialism with utopian ideals they will not be able to deliver on. Both will learn to tone down their extremes after World War III assuming both parties survive. The church and members will slowly back up from political participation.

11. The growing access to porn worldwide will cause a global epidemic of porn addiction amongst those susceptible to it. Fetishes and perversions will become more commonplace. The Church will fight it.

12. The church will stay neutral on bioengineering lifeforms to perform tasks.

13. The church will take a stronger stand on physical health as many people deteriorate due to decreased need for physical activity. Depression and other mental and emotional ailments will continue to rise due to this lack.

14. Hispanics will be the dominant ethnicity through most of North and South America as the Lamanites blossom.

15. The prophet will continue to warn of coming problems and the Saints will lose members and gain members as we always have.

16. A good portion of the LDS people will be convinced that the Second Coming is imminent as they always have. They might be right but they might not be.

#2. I have no TV. It is a waste of my time. Fringe people will still watch it while in a substance fog.

#3  I won't be around for it, but if I was, I would want an eye that would let me see from Infrared to Ultraviolet, and have at least 10x magnification. Maybe in the middle of my forehead?

#5  Much of the world has an absolutely hostile view toward Homosexuality. As Hispanics increase, visible Homosexuality will vanish. When I worked in Honduras, there were no spike headed Lesbians, and no openly gay men, and most certainly no Transgender folk, no drag queens ...

 

Wait, I thought I saw something about Women's priesthood!  Can women decline it? After what I have seen, no way would I want to be a Bishop, no way!

 

#9  I think broadcasting the Conference is counterproductive. We should all meet together.

#10 As to politics, ICK !

#11 Porn drives bad treatment of women. Look up Anita Sarkeesian for a glimpse into a frightening future. Women will rapidly become significantly more modest to avoid unwanted attention. I and several other Mormon women that I know of already wear Hijab and long sleeves and long skirts or loose pants. It will only get harder for women as time goes on. Just read your history.

#13 I expect the church to prohibit so many kinds of foods very soon. Diabetes is epidemic. Many Americans are FAT, morbidly obese, slobs. Me included.

#14 Most Hispanics I know are morally superior to Americans.

The Second Coming?  Yes, well, He's late !

[USU78]

Nope, not imposing changes, but encouraging and supporting the proper process.

 

. . . of using one's position and influence to foist changes on others.

 

Yup.

 

We have learned through sad experience . . ..

[rockpond]

. . . of using one's position and influence to foist changes on others.

 

Yup.

 

There will be those who may try.  But I'm talking about all of the faithful members of the church who follow the Spirit.  By so doing we'll sustain the Brethren in their callings and collectively prepare ourselves if changes need to happen.

 

What you are saying sounds to me like you feel that the Brethren will cave to pressure rather than leading the Church by revelation.  Am I misunderstanding?

[USU78]

There will be those who may try.  But I'm talking about all of the faithful members of the church who follow the Spirit.  By so doing we'll sustain the Brethren in their callings and collectively prepare ourselves if changes need to happen.

 

What you are saying sounds to me like you feel that the Brethren will cave to pressure rather than leading the Church by revelation.  Am I misunderstanding?

 

Let's explore this:

 

Silly urbanites' squeamishness at what they deem brutality and sexism and anti-parsonism in the Endowment ceremony lead them to complain and whine, whereupon minor revisions to the Endowment are made.

 

Did they listen to the Spirit before complaining?  Or were they just complaining?

 

I work on the assumption the leaders to whom the complaints came acted out of love and concern, but I make no such assumptions about the complainers.

 

I argue their concerns were childish and slight.

 

If I am correct, they used influence and position to affect change because of pique and squeamishness, without caring whether the change is what G-d wants.

[Guest]

To answer the OP:

Most religious movements are based upon the need to prepare for the second coming, the end of our world and making ready for the next. Ours more than most I would think, leaving one to wonder will there be such a movement if God lingers for another 100 years. If so what then would be the message for we "Latter-day Saints", in short it is not what the Church may be like, but how the message may have changed?

[rockpond]

Let's explore this:

 

Silly urbanites' squeamishness at what they deem brutality and sexism and anti-parsonism in the Endowment ceremony lead them to complain and whine, whereupon minor revisions to the Endowment are made.

 

Did they listen to the Spirit before complaining?  Or were they just complaining?

 

I work on the assumption the leaders to whom the complaints came acted out of love and concern, but I make no such assumptions about the complainers.

 

I argue their concerns were childish and slight.

 

If I am correct, they used influence and position to affect change because of pique and squeamishness, without caring whether the change is what G-d wants.

 

Yes, I think it's entirely possible that all involved (members and leaders) were listening to the Spirit.

[USU78]

Yes, I think it's entirely possible that all involved (members and leaders) were listening to the Spirit.

 

Because whining is such great evidence of sincerity?

[rockpond]

Because whining is such great evidence of sincerity?

 

I'm not aware of any whining.

[USU78]

I'm not aware of any whining.

 

That's all I heard after the changes in the Endowment were announced:

 

US, i.e. Utah, sistern complaining to Church leaders about how the items I mentioned led said leaders to affect the changes in order to remove bone(s) of contention.

 

Well . . . who was creating the contention?

 

JSJr?

 

BY?

 

WW?

 

JFS?

 

Or was it the urbanite Utah members' whinery?

 

"I can't feel the spirit because I feel like I'm being subjugated by my abusive husband."

 

"I can't enjoy the Endowment because it contains 'cross my heart, hope to die' imagery."

[JLHPROF]

That's all I heard after the changes in the Endowment were announced:

 

US, i.e. Utah, sistern complaining to Church leaders about how the items I mentioned led said leaders to affect the changes in order to remove bone(s) of contention.

 

Well . . . who was creating the contention?

 

JSJr?

 

BY?

 

WW?

 

JFS?

 

Or was it the urbanite Utah members' whinery?

 

"I can't feel the spirit because I feel like I'm being subjugated by my abusive husband."

 

"I can't enjoy the Endowment because it contains 'cross my heart, hope to die' imagery."

 

That's all I heard after the changes in the Endowment were announced:

 

US, i.e. Utah, sistern complaining to Church leaders about how the items I mentioned led said leaders to affect the changes in order to remove bone(s) of contention.

 

Well . . . who was creating the contention?

 

JSJr?

 

BY?

 

WW?

 

JFS?

 

Or was it the urbanite Utah members' whinery?

 

"I can't feel the spirit because I feel like I'm being subjugated by my abusive husband."

 

"I can't enjoy the Endowment because it contains 'cross my heart, hope to die' imagery."

 

So true.  And those whining often had NO idea of the significance of the things they wanted removed.  And those that did understand them should never have wanted them removed.

[rockpond]

That's all I heard after the changes in the Endowment were announced:

 

US, i.e. Utah, sistern complaining to Church leaders about how the items I mentioned led said leaders to affect the changes in order to remove bone(s) of contention.

 

Well . . . who was creating the contention?

 

JSJr?

 

BY?

 

WW?

 

JFS?

 

Or was it the urbanite Utah members' whinery?

 

"I can't feel the spirit because I feel like I'm being subjugated by my abusive husband."

 

"I can't enjoy the Endowment because it contains 'cross my heart, hope to die' imagery."

 

So is your complaint that some sisters you knew complained about the endowment ceremony or is it that you believe the Brethren incorrectly changed the endowment?

 

If you feel those endowment changes were "foisted" on you does that mean that you feel the changes are inconsistent with God's will?

[USU78]

So is your complaint that some sisters you knew complained about the endowment ceremony or is it that you believe the Brethren incorrectly changed the endowment?

 

If you feel those endowment changes were "foisted" on you does that mean that you feel the changes are inconsistent with God's will?

 

You misconstrue:  I don't much care about what is and isn't included in the ritual.

 

I decry the culture of whining until you get your way that, especially, comes out of Utah and SoCal.  You don't hear Phillipina sisters whining about the Endowment or insisting that they can only make covenants in the Temple with mental reservations or crossing-of-the-fingers.

 

Entitlement mentality makes one whine.  And when one whines, one doesn't care about the Spirit or what G-d wants:  one wants what one wants.  Whinery is impatient, it puffeth itself up, and it won't be satisfied until it gets its whiny way.

[stemelbow]

You misconstrue:  I don't much care about what is and isn't included in the ritual.

 

I decry the culture of whining until you get your way that, especially, comes out of Utah and SoCal.  You don't hear Phillipina sisters whining about the Endowment or insisting that they can only make covenants in the Temple with mental reservations or crossing-of-the-fingers.

 

Entitlement mentality makes one whine.  And when one whines, one doesn't care about the Spirit or what G-d wants:  one wants what one wants.  Whinery is impatient, it puffeth itself up, and it won't be satisfied until it gets its whiny way.

sounds like whining about whining.

[USU78]

sounds like whining about whining.

 

I object to you whining about my whining about others' whining!

[JLHPROF]

So is your complaint that some sisters you knew complained about the endowment ceremony or is it that you believe the Brethren incorrectly changed the endowment?

 

If you feel those endowment changes were "foisted" on you does that mean that you feel the changes are inconsistent with God's will?

 

Yes.

[rockpond]

You misconstrue:  I don't much care about what is and isn't included in the ritual.

 

I decry the culture of whining until you get your way that, especially, comes out of Utah and SoCal.  You don't hear Phillipina sisters whining about the Endowment or insisting that they can only make covenants in the Temple with mental reservations or crossing-of-the-fingers.

 

Entitlement mentality makes one whine.  And when one whines, one doesn't care about the Spirit or what G-d wants:  one wants what one wants.  Whinery is impatient, it puffeth itself up, and it won't be satisfied until it gets its whiny way.

 

I don't really notice this culture of "whining" that you seem to feel is prevalent.

 

But it's always useful to put ourselves and their shoes and think how we would feel.

[USU78]

I don't really notice this culture of "whining" that you seem to feel is prevalent.

 

But it's always useful to put ourselves and their shoes and think how we would feel.

 

PUHlease.

 

I have no interest in invading that there narcissistic whinery.

[KevinG]

"It would hardly be fish who discovered the existence of water".-  Clyde Kluckhohn (1949) American anthropologist and social theorist.

[carbon dioxide]

100 years from now, no second coming, a changing world - what will we see:

(Just opinion)

 

1. Women will be ordained to the priesthood.

2. Church will become even more similar to evangelical Christianity in doctrine and practice (although I doubt the trinity would make it in)

3. No more garments

4. Temples will be more open to non-members, primarily because very little of the "peculiar" will remain - another 1990 will likely take care of that.

5. Mainstreaming/Assimilation will continue in order that conversions can grow.

6. I still doubt SSM will make it into the Church, but continued allowances for members with SSA will be made.

 

Once all those things happen, there will be little to differentiate the Church from any other religion, and so there will little left to need any change.

Fortunately the setting in order will happen before this could happen...

If the LDS Church was that despirate to make those changes for more acceptance in society, I hope all my posterity joins the FLDS Church or some other church that they find that would stand for something.

[JLHPROF]

If the LDS Church was that despirate to make those changes for more acceptance in society, I hope all my posterity joins the FLDS Church or some other church that they find that would stand for something.

 

Those changes are no more significant than the changes that have been made from 1843 to today.

[carbon dioxide]

Those changes are no more significant than the changes that have been made from 1843 to today.

What change since 1843 would rival a change that basically would do away with the temple recommend and allow anyone into the temple or ordain women to the priesthood.   One of the things I like about the church is that  it does not change to conform towards the standards of the world.  I celebrate the fact that we are considered weird.  The worst thing the church can do is make major changes in doctrine and practices simply to appease more people and increase baptisms.  When the world begins to accept the Church more, it is a sign that we are on the wrong path as the devil is the one that holds the major influence and guidence of what the world accepts. 

[JLHPROF]

What change since 1843 would rival a change that basically would do away with the temple recommend and allow anyone into the temple or ordain women to the priesthood.   One of the things I like about the church is that  it does not change to conform towards the standards of the world.  I celebrate the fact that we are considered weird.  The worst thing the church can do is make major changes in doctrine and practices simply to appease more people and increase baptisms.  When the world begins to accept the Church more, it is a sign that we are on the wrong path as the devil is the one that holds the major influence and guidence of what the world accepts. 

 

Revocation of Plural Marriage

Revocation of United Order/Law of Consecration (for now)

Addition and then removal of Adam-God teachings from the Church and Temple.

Ending of Adoption ceremonies in 1894

Ending of Rebaptism

Official acceptance of Christ as Jehovah in the OT around the 1910s

Changes in the temple and garment in the 1920s

Reception of the 1978 Revelation on Priesthod

Changes in the temple in the 1990s

Changes in the temple in 2005

Openly showing the temple clothing to the world last week

 

As far as from the "original" practices of the Church we've come through many changes.  I don't think the potential changes I described would be seen as all that much further.  And whether we can admit it or not, many of these changes were for world acceptance.  Not all, but some.

Edited November 1, 2014 by JLHPROF

[Calm]

Do you see the change of the Law of Adoption to family sealings as inappropriate?

[california boy]

What pressure?

 

The "Gay Team" assure us that there isn't a single "gay" couple (or even a couple of "gay" singles) anywhere in the world who would dream of trying to pressure any church that didn't want them to marry them; and no government anywhere in the world that would dream of imposing any sort of legislative or taxation pressure of any kind.

 

So where could all this "mainstream" pressure ever possibly come from?

 

Regards,

Pahoran

I am just guessing that you include me in the "gay team".  I was just reading the thread on the new"Mormon Movie".  Most of the thread is about how disgusted Mormons are about the misrepresentation of missionaries.  Yet one only needs to come to this thread to see the same kind of distortion and lies Mormons tell about "the gays".  Do you see any difference between the deceit?

 

I nor any other member of "the gay team" have NEVER said there would not be social pressure against the church for their position on SSM.  We have only stated that the constitution protects religion from forcing churches to marry a gay couple or anyone else they don't want to marry.  From a now closed thread this is what I actually said.

 

 

 

1.  No religion will be forced by the government to marry any gay couple against their will.  However, the majority of religions in the U.S. will choose to do so voluntairily on their own believing that the gospel of Christ is open to all and that the law of chastity is no sex outside the bonds of marriage.

 

2.  If you are appointed by the state to perform marriages and you are not a religion, you will be forced to uphold the law and duty that you swore to defend.   As an officer of the court, you will be forced to perform gay marriages as part of your job description.  Those who do not will be relieved of their jobs.  Priests, ministers and Mormon officials are not part of the government but rather representatives of different religions and will not be forced to marry anyone against their will for any reason including gay marriage.

 

3. A small minority will think that they can discriminate against gays in their busines because they don't believe in gay marriage.  Perhaps countless lawsuites will be filed against these businesses based on the civli rights laws passed in the 1960's.  These businesses will loose every court case and be required to pay fines as a result of the violation of those civli rights laws.  It will keep gay rights in the headlines for the next couple of years as gay marriage fades from the headlines because it is a done deal.

 

4.  The Mormon church will be pressured to change its policy against gay marriage by outside social foces but not by the government..  This pressure may very well include other schools refusing to play BYU in sporting contests and other interactions. Mormons will continue to be called out as being bigots (whether true or not) by those opposing the churches belief in denying ssm.  There will be a clear split between the membership.  Some believing that all of God's children deserve the blessings of temple marriage, and those that want to keep those blessings from gay members.  Many will leave the church over this issue and missionary work will struggle because of this issue.  How the church handles such social pressure is anyone's guess.

 

5.  Some Mormons will continue to believe that they can distort the laws of this country and make up unfounded fears concerning the lost of religious liberty in order to justify their religious belief against ssm.  They will try and use fear as a weapon against gay Americans.  It will largely fail both within the membership of the church and society in general.

 

6.  Gay marriage will fade from the headlines of the newspapers and be accepted much the same way "black power" faded from the headlines once discrimination laws were in force.

 

That is my belief.  You can frame it and see how I do in the next 10 years.

 

 

 

Your distortion of my position is no different than the distortion of Hollywood in the new movie "Missionary".  And you are not alone in presenting that distortion since  Mola Ram Suda Ram  USU78 and  rodheadlee all agreed with you.  I wonder  if any that are posting their outrage on the distortion of Mormon missionaries will bother to call you out on the distortion you present of "the gay team"  Probably not.

[Calm]

" I was just reading the thread on the new"Mormon Movie". Most of the thread is about how disgusted Mormons are about the misrepresentation of missionaries"

I think you need to go back and reread that one. The only one expressing disgust was a nonLDS poster.

Most seemed not offended to me even if they found the movie to be a stupid premise.

Edited November 1, 2014 by calmoriah