What Happens To Souls Of People Who End Their Own Life?

[bcuzbcuz]

In Canada you can't be charged with attempting suicide, you'd probably get counselling or something, not sure. Mind you if you used an illegal weapon to do it then you might face a charge but who knows

Sorry to disagree, but my story is from Canada. Fort St. James, BC, 1980-something. I met him in the 90's.

[Kenngo1969]

This, of course, comes with the usual caveats: I'm not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.  It's simply one man thinking aloud (OK, silently posting his thoughts on line, but that's the "Cyber-equivalent" of thinking aloud! ) Legality of the weapon and other ancillary issues are another matter, but it seems awfully perverse to charge someone with attempted murder following an unsuccessful suicide attempt.  The kind of self-hatred involved in the desire to attempt or to commit suicide does not, it seems to me, rise to the level of "malice aforethought" necessary to meet the definition of [attempted] premeditated murder. The same is true of "heat of passion" and [attempted] second-degree murder: the rashness involved in killing another human being seems, to me, to be different in both quality and quantity from the rashness involved in the attempt to take one's own life.  At worst, the most serious crime the sparse set of circumstances you have provided seems to support is attempted manslaughter, since manslaughter involves neither deliberation, nor premeditation, nor malice.  (I'm not calling into question what facts you have related: I'm simply expressing puzzlement at the alleged charge, given those facts). 

[Duncan]

Sorry to disagree, but my story is from Canada. Fort St. James, BC, 1980-something. I met him in the 90's.

 

 

gobsmacking,  it was removed from the Criminal Code of Canada in 1972 but I am no lawyer so I don't know the details

[thesometimesaint]

We  should prosecute only that succeed. The rest should be treated with love and understanding to help alleviate the tremendous psychological pain they are experiencing. I don't know how God will judge them, but it is hard for me to say that God doesn't take everything into consideration including the emotional pain we're are undergoing.

[bcuzbcuz]

gobsmacking,  it was removed from the Criminal Code of Canada in 1972 but I am no lawyer so I don't know the details

I only know his story from him, himself. He didn't necessarliy fill in all the details accurately. And I never checked sources.... What can I say, we usually take people at their word.

[Duncan]

I only know his story from him, himself. He didn't necessarliy fill in all the details accurately. And I never checked sources.... What can I say, we usually take people at their word.

 

 

happens to everyone! are you Canadian like me?

Edited April 25, 2014 by Duncan

[The Nehor]

There are so many alternatives to suicide I am surprised people still do it:

 

[VideoGameJunkie]

Love The Simpsons classic era and everytime it's referenced.

[EllenMaksoud]

In the Lord's eyes isn't suicide premeditated murder since you are planning out and killing a life? So do people who commit suicide go to where murderers go?

I have actually heard a couple different Mormon speakers on the issue. There is no condemnation.

[The Nehor]

I have actually heard a couple different Mormon speakers on the issue. There is no condemnation.

 

I would say there is no "after the fact" condemnation. If someone walked into the Bishop's office and said they were planning to commit suicide the bishop would probably condemn that course of action and tell them not to murder themselves because it is a sin.

[JAHS]

A somewhat related question I have is let's say a person has a life of severe illness requiring multiple surgeries that seem to make his quality of life even worse instead of better. He's fairly old (more than 70 yrs) and after suffering more than he can stand he finally refuses to undergo any more surgery even though doctors say it is necessary to prolong his life. He would rather leave it in God's hands rather than the hands of the doctors.  Would his refusal of undergoing the surgery be considered a form of suicide? Would he be under condemnation from God for giving up and allowing himself to die of his condition?   

[The Nehor]

A somewhat related question I have is let's say a person has a life of severe illness requiring multiple surgeries that seem to make his quality of life even worse instead of better. He's fairly old (more than 70 yrs) and after suffering more than he can stand he finally refuses to undergo any more surgery even though doctors say it is necessary to prolong his life. He would rather leave it in God's hands rather than the hands of the doctors.  Would his refusal of undergoing the surgery be considered a form of suicide? Would he be under condemnation from God for giving up and allowing himself to die of his condition?   

 

He should probably pray about it. Those are the kinds of situations for which we have revelation.

[EllenMaksoud]

I would say there is no "after the fact" condemnation. If someone walked into the Bishop's office and said they were planning to commit suicide the bishop would probably condemn that course of action and tell them not to murder themselves because it is a sin.

When I do it, I won't care what the Bishop says. I'll be taking my disturbance to God in person.

[mfbukowski]

When I do it, I won't care what the Bishop says. I'll be taking my disturbance to God in person.

You just better hope he keeps the appointment. Try the complaint department first.

[EllenMaksoud]

You just better hope he keeps the appointment. Try the complaint department first.

So, I burn in hell. The church proved to me that they believe the Atonement to be conditional, and as usual I did not make the cut.

[The Nehor]

When I do it, I won't care what the Bishop says. I'll be taking my disturbance to God in person.

 

Pretty sure that won't speed things up much. I don't think you get to meet Jesus in the Spirit World unless He has a specific need to talk to you to direct the work there. I think you only get to see the Father and a guaranteed meeting with the Savior at the Final Judgment and a quicker death doesn't move you further up the queue or accelerate the process which is probably at least a millenium in the future.

 

If you want to meet God more quickly you are better off going for the Second Comforter.

[The Nehor]

So, I burn in hell. The church proved to me that they believe the Atonement to be conditional, and as usual I did not make the cut.

 

Well your last statement is one of the main reasons we are not allowed to be our own Judge. It never ends well. It either leads to egotism or self-pity and both are damning to progress.

[EllenMaksoud]

Pretty sure that won't speed things up much. I don't think you get to meet Jesus in the Spirit World unless He has a specific need to talk to you to direct the work there. I think you only get to see the Father and a guaranteed meeting with the Savior at the Final Judgment and a quicker death doesn't move you further up the queue or accelerate the process which is probably at least a millenium in the future.

 

If you want to meet God more quickly you are better off going for the Second Comforter.

Now you get all theological and compassionate.

[The Nehor]

Now you get all theological and compassionate.

 

Compassionate???? Me???? Keep quiet about that. I have a reputation I am trying to maintain here.

Edited April 26, 2014 by The Nehor

[EllenMaksoud]

Compassionate???? Me???? Keep quiet about that. I have a reputation I am trying to maintain here.

I'm done, almost out of nickles.

[bcuzbcuz]

happens to everyone! are you Canadian like me?

I always enjoy your posts, not just because you're Canadian. Yes, I too fly the Canadian flag outside my house, every time Canada plays hockey in an international tournament. I live in Sweden, flying the Canadian flag here is not always popular.

Born in Victoria, mission to Sweden, lived and worked 8 years on First Nation reserves in northern Canada, cared 15 years for a multiple handicapped First Nation child, then moved back to Sweden. But we can buy maple syrup here, so all is right with the world.

[The Nehor]

I always enjoy your posts, not just because you're Canadian. Yes, I too fly the Canadian flag outside my house, every time Canada plays hockey in an international tournament. I live in Sweden, flying the Canadian flag here is not always popular.

Born in Victoria, mission to Sweden, lived and worked 8 years on First Nation reserves in northern Canada, cared 15 years for a multiple handicapped First Nation child, then moved back to Sweden. But we can buy maple syrup here, so all is right with the world.

 

 

 

 

 

Is this your picture?

Edited April 26, 2014 by The Nehor

[bcuzbcuz]

 

Is this your picture?

My doctor says I need to cut down on all food that causes hardening of the arteries. But I think he just doesn't like Canadians.