Sunday School And A Worldwide Flood (Pt.3)

[The Nehor]

Where in Darwinian evolution is God required? NEVER. Darwinian evolutionists refer to God as the "supernatural" and his creation as  "mythical".

No, most people who study evolution have an opinion on whether God exists but they are not a hive-mind. Many do think God is mythical. Some don't. However saying God is mythical is not a scientific statement and has nothing to do with evolution unless you are a moron angry at your parents and read Dawkins.

Again, your post is wrong. Stop being wrong all the time.

[Gray]

You are so wrong. Do yourself a little science experiment and get a large glass jar and place a bunch of different things in it along with differnet chalk dust, clay, etc then mix it all up with water and let it naturally settle and then drain the water off. You will not find "one layer".

 

You will most definitely find one layer. With a jumble of objects in that one layer, arranged in the order of decreasing density.

[Rob Osborn]

No, most people who study evolution have an opinion on whether God exists but they are not a hive-mind. Many do think God is mythical. Some don't. However saying God is mythical is not a scientific statement and has nothing to do with evolution unless you are a moron angry at your parents and read Dawkins.

Again, your post is wrong. Stop being wrong all the time.

Im not wrong though. Darwinian evolution is atheist.

[Rob Osborn]

You will most definitely find one layer. With a jumble of objects in that one layer, arranged in the order of decreasing density.

you will find several layers with different things found in each layer depending on density and size.

[halconero]

Where in Darwinian evolution is God required? NEVER. Darwinian evolutionists refer to God as the "supernatural" and his creation as  "mythical".

Where in Math, Physics, and Chemistry are belief in God required?

[Rob Osborn]

Where in Math, Physics, and Chemistry are belief in God required?

This is comparing apples to oranges. Darwinian evolution deals specifically with the why ahd how of lifes origins.

[halconero]

You are so wrong. Do yourself a little science experiment and get a large glass jar and place a bunch of different things in it along with differnet chalk dust, clay, etc then mix it all up with water and let it naturally settle and then drain the water off. You will not find "one layer".

One: That's not a scientific experiment. Comparing a jar, some water, chalk and objects to a global flood is laughable. You're excluding geological, physical and chemical factors.

Two: In an attempt to explain scientificize this just a little bit (Hahahahahahahahahahaha) let me add a few things. After that initial swirling of chalk, water, and little plastic animals they would most certainly be in the same layer. Layers are thick. Let that chalk now harden over a couple years. Put some pressure and heat on it. Let it harden. Now...put some other objects, water, and chalk in it. Swirl it around again. The original chalk will probably stay hardened. (Btw, chalk is made up of organic material, it's not stone) Notice something? There will probably be two layers of chalk now. The original, and the most recent. They assorted objects will be in different layers.

[halconero]

This is comparing apples to oranges. Darwinian evolution deals specifically with the why ahd how of lifes origins.

So does chemistry in a number of ways. It still doesn't require belief in God.

Physics also explains the mechanics of the universe.

Also, have you read the Origin of Species?

[The Nehor]

Im not wrong though. Darwinian evolution is atheist.

 

No, it's agnostic. If it required atheism I would be an atheist. I'm not. I teach Sunday School, drive missionaries around, bear testimony, and communicate with God on a daily basis.

 

Your understanding of scripture may conflict with evolution but that is your problem, not mine. Using pseudoscience to justify it is building your house on the sand.

[Brian 2.0]

You are so wrong. Do yourself a little science experiment and get a large glass jar and place a bunch of different things in it along with differnet chalk dust, clay, etc then mix it all up with water and let it naturally settle and then drain the water off. You will not find "one layer".

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And in your "strata" in this experiment you'd see things arranging top to bottom by density. Is that what we find in the fossil record? Animals and plants of similar density in the same strata layers?

Edited March 10, 2014 by Brian 2.0

[Rob Osborn]

No, it's agnostic. If it required atheism I would be an atheist. I'm not. I teach Sunday School, drive missionaries around, bear testimony, and communicate with God on a daily basis.

 

Your understanding of scripture may conflict with evolution but that is your problem, not mine. Using pseudoscience to justify it is building your house on the sand.

your understanding of evolution is in conflict with the scrptures.

[The Nehor]

your understanding of evolution is in conflict with the scrptures.

With your reading of it maybe but it is not in conflict with my current reading or the Spirit I have felt as I have studied these things. I can live with being out of Harmony with your reading of the scriptures.

[thesometimesaint]

So basically you don't believe in much of anything from the scriptures. Gotcha.

 

Incorrect. I don't believe YOUR interpretation of them.

[thesometimesaint]

So does chemistry in a number of ways. It still doesn't require belief in God.

Physics also explains the mechanics of the universe.

Also, have you read the Origin of Species?

 

You have to remember. Everything from Astronomy to Zoology is science and Rob isn't having any of it.

[thesometimesaint]

Im not wrong though. Darwinian evolution is atheist.

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/11/3389411/degrasse-tyson-religion/

[Gray]

you will find several layers with different things found in each layer depending on density and size.

 

You don't seem to understand how layers form

[Rob Osborn]

Incorrect. I don't believe YOUR interpretation of them.

Don't you mean that you dont believe the churches interprtetation of them?

[Rob Osborn]

http://thinkprogress.org/culture/2014/03/11/3389411/degrasse-tyson-religion/

Not really sure where that fits into Darwinian evolution but still a good read. Let me ask- is there anyone out there who believes in Darwinian evolution who also state that the Creator was needed in order for life to arise on this planet? if so, then the second question would be- what did the Creator do to cause life to arise and how is this compatible with Darwinian evolution?

[thesometimesaint]

Don't you mean that you dont believe the churches interprtetation of them?

 

So you are now the Church?

[Rob Osborn]

So you are now the Church?

No, I just believe what the church teaches on these issues, thats all.

[thesometimesaint]

Not really sure where that fits into Darwinian evolution but still a good read. Let me ask- is there anyone out there who believes in Darwinian evolution who also state that the Creator was needed in order for life to arise on this planet? if so, then the second question would be- what did the Creator do to cause life to arise and how is this compatible with Darwinian evolution?

 

Evolution is not about how life first originated on this planet. So your are either being deliberately obtuse or are being deliberately disingenuous. Your choice.

[thesometimesaint]

No, I just believe what the church teaches on these issues, thats all.

 

The Church takes no position on evolution other than God did it. Individual members, be they high or low, are free to believe or not believe as is their choice.

[Rob Osborn]

Evolution is not about how life first originated on this planet. So your are either being deliberately obtuse or are being deliberately disingenuous. Your choice.

No, I am just trying to show why Darwinian evolution is incompatable with the doctrine of God.

[Rob Osborn]

The Church takes no position on evolution other than God did it. Individual members, be they high or low, are free to believe or not believe as is their choice.

The Church actually does take a position on evolution at least as far as man is concerned. That position is that man did not evolve from a lower order of species but is of the divine lineage.

[thesometimesaint]

The Church actually does take a position on evolution at least as far as man is concerned. That position is that man did not evolve from a lower order of species but is of the divine lineage.

 

Again the Church takes no position on evolution. Our Spirit certainly is of divine origin. This mortal body not so much.