Sunday School And A Worldwide Flood (Pt.3)

[thesometimesaint]

Darwinian evolutionary theory is atheistic.

 

You are a liar.

[Rob Osborn]

You are a liar.

If you accuse me, please point out why.

[Rob Osborn]

Evolution doesn't concern itself with how life arose on this planet. That is Abiogenesis. Evolution is how life has changed since its first arose on this planet.  What you are doing is changing the subject. IE: Injecting mushroom cultivation into a discussion of rail road construction.

They are part of the same process. How else could the first life form be accounted for? Anyways then, explain where God fits in with causing us to have evolved from the first life- form.

[Brian 2.0]

Okay, the rubber meets the road at the point of how life arose on this planet. Fit God into it in the darwinian evolution model.

As has been said, Darwinian evolution does not concern itself with how life arose on this planet. It's only concern is with how life evolved once it began.

Try again.

[Brian 2.0]

They are part of the same process. How else could the first life form be accounted for?

Saying they are part of the same process shows just how large your misunderstanding of evolution is.

Anyways then, explain where God fits in with causing us to have evolved from the first life- form.

Easy. He's "guiding" it at times as was said in the post you found lacking (even thought it was complete).

Basically, some of those "random" mutations that led to man weren't so "random" but caused by God. That's just one of many ways you could put God into the equation.

Try again.

[Rob Osborn]

Saying they are part of the same process shows just how large your misunderstanding of evolution is.

Easy. He's "guiding" it at times as was said in the post you found lacking (even thought it was complete).

Basically, some of those "random" mutations that led to man weren't so "random" but caused by God. That's just one of many ways you could put God into the equation.

Try again.

So, is there a design element allowing for gods hand then as part of Darwinian evolution?

[Rob Osborn]

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

Within evolutionary biology is how life arose. Sorry folks but lifes origins are a part of evolutionary biology.

[thesometimesaint]

If you accuse me, please point out why.

 

It has been repeatedly pointed out to you by me and others that science is Agnostic on questions of God.

 

I and others have repeatedly shown you that some 40% of all American scientists are Theists.

http://ncse.com/rncse/18/2/do-scientists-really-reject-god

 

One of the foremost scientists of the biological science on evolution is Kenneth Miller. Whom I've repeatedly linked for you is a Roman Catholic.

[Brian 2.0]

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2aOriginoflife.shtml

Within evolutionary biology is how life arose. Sorry folks but lifes origins are a part of evolutionary biology.

You can still put God behind every aspect of that article if you want. "Who put those thermal vents there? Who made it so that the perfect circumstances existed for life to arise? It was God, using natural laws like we Mormons believe He does."

Try again.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Brian 2.0

[Brian 2.0]

So, is there a design element allowing for gods hand then as part of Darwinian evolution?

Darwinian evolution neither makes room nor excludes God's hand. It doesn't concern itself with it. If people want to place God's hand behind it, or within it, that's their choice. It's can't be proved that God's hand is there, but that doesn't mean it isn't.

[thesometimesaint]

They are part of the same process. How else could the first life form be accounted for? Anyways then, explain where God fits in with causing us to have evolved from the first life- form.

 

They are not part of the same process. Only living biological organisms evolve.

[The Nehor]

Darwinian evolution demands that the theory is explained void of intelligence and a design by a Creator.

 

NO!!! It doesn't. Again you ascribe definitions to things that don't fit.

 

 

Darwinian evolutionary theory is atheistic.

 

 

Darwin himself said you could be a theist and accept evolution.

 

You are a liar.

 

Seconded.

 

You say things that are wrong and it has been repeatedly pointed out to you that they are wrong yet you continue to say them. You hide behind redefining words you either don't understand or refuse to understand. You are either an idiot or a liar. Take your pick.

Edited March 16, 2014 by The Nehor

[The Nehor]

So, is there a design element allowing for gods hand then as part of Darwinian evolution?

 

The simplest one is that God took a hand in the original organization of matter in such a way that it was inevitable because he can see the end from the beginning and planned it that way.

 

Cue the goal posts running further down the field.

[thesometimesaint]

 

NO!!! It doesn't. Again you ascribe definitions to things that don't fit.

 

 

 

 

Darwin himself said you could be a theist and accept evolution.

 

 

Seconded.

 

You say things that are wrong and it has been repeatedly pointed out to you that they are wrong yet you continue to say them. You hide behind redefining words you either don't understand or refuse to understand. You are either an idiot or a liar. Take your pick.

 

 

Of note is that Darwin was Anglican. Which TTBOMK a Theistic religion of about 70 million members.

[Rob Osborn]

The simplest one is that God took a hand in the original organization of matter in such a way that it was inevitable because he can see the end from the beginning and planned it that way.

 

Cue the goal posts running further down the field.

Okay, so what did God do? I have done the research and there is no room for God in darwinian evolution. If you feel I am wrong pkease point me to one of your peer reviewed papers stating otherwise.

[Rob Osborn]

You guys call me a liar yet refuse to provide even "one" source for fitting God within darwinian evolution but yet say it is so. Who really is the liar?

[Brian 2.0]

Okay, so what did God do? I have done the research and there is no room for God in darwinian evolution. If you feel I am wrong pkease point me to one of your peer reviewed papers stating otherwise.

GOD DOES NOT GET PUT INTO EVOLUTION IN PEER REVIEWED PAPERS!

He get's put into evolution by believers of God. And those people can put Him in there because evolution does not REQUIRE that God is NOT there.

You still have not given me your "rubber meets the road" example of where God cannot be in evolution.

Try again.

[Brian 2.0]

You guys call me a liar yet refuse to provide even "one" source for fitting God within darwinian evolution but yet say it is so. Who really is the liar?

The "source" is God himself. It's the testimony of the Holy Ghost that God is behind or involved in the process.

You willing to deny that source?

[Rob Osborn]

GOD DOES NOT GET PUT INTO EVOLUTION IN PEER REVIEWED PAPERS!

He get's put into evolution by believers of God. And those people can put Him in there because evolution does not REQUIRE that God is NOT there.

You still have not given me your "rubber meets the road" example of where God cannot be in evolution.

Try again.

God doesnt get included because its atheism.

[Brian 2.0]

You guys call me a liar yet refuse to provide even "one" source for fitting God within darwinian evolution but yet say it is so. Who really is the liar?

You act like God is incompatible with evolution because the science of evolution does not talk about God being in it.

I guess you'd also say Mathematics is atheistic. Show me the peer reviewed papers working God into mathematics.

Edited March 16, 2014 by Brian 2.0

[Rob Osborn]

The science I adhere to regarding lifes origins includes the Creator as it should. My science I believe in isnt atheistic.

[Brian 2.0]

My science I believe in isnt atheistic.

Neither is any science all of the rest of us believe in. It's YOU that is claiming certain sciences are atheistic.

And by your terms you have deemed a whole lot more than evolution as "atheistic"

[thesometimesaint]

The science I adhere to regarding lifes origins includes the Creator as it should. My science I believe in isnt atheistic.

 

Now your back to your own special definitions of words.

 

Neither is mine. I'm a Theist.

[The Nehor]

Okay, so what did God do? I have done the research and there is no room for God in darwinian evolution. If you feel I am wrong pkease point me to one of your peer reviewed papers stating otherwise.

 

You guys call me a liar yet refuse to provide even "one" source for fitting God within darwinian evolution but yet say it is so. Who really is the liar?

 

I gave a plausible way He could have caused it in the very quote your first quote here was responding to!!!!!!!!!

 

You are the liar. Or you are incredibly dim.

 

The science I adhere to regarding lifes origins includes the Creator as it should. My science I believe in isnt atheistic.

 

You don't have a science. We do not get personal sciences.

 

God doesnt get included because its atheism.

 

And again you repeat this dictum like a creed despite it being repeatedly refuted as false.

 

I give up. You are too deceitful or stupid to argue with. You are immune to reason which means we have no common ground on which to discuss anything. We explain and you repeat refuted stuff as if you will be believed if you repeat it enough times.