Topic Of Conversation With Tbm Friends Who Agreed It'S A Problem

[The Nehor]

There is also for Utah and the more 'Mormon' areas a possible contributing factor of genetics as apparently Scandinavians have higher rates of depression (I have heard this reported, not looked into the studies myself) and there is a significant portion of Mormons with Scandinavian ancestry.

Is that genetic or is it from how bad seasonal depression is up there on the roof of the world?

[Tacenda]

There is also for Utah and the more 'Mormon' areas a possible contributing factor of genetics as apparently Scandinavians have higher rates of depression (I have heard this reported, not looked into the studies myself) and there is a significant portion of Mormons with Scandinavian ancestry.

There is significant research that the Mountain States including those that do not have high LDS population have higher depression rates, it will be interested to find out if the altitude has an effect and then what that effect might be (lower oxygen available perhaps? could one treat depression with oxygen then?

Hmm, never thought of that, good points. I know that breathing in more oxygen helps and sometimes I hardly take in any oxygen, and have to think about it and then do it. My ancestors are Scandinavian, I'd never heard that they had a higher rate of depression.

[Calm]

Is that genetic or is it from how bad seasonal depression is up there on the roof of the world?

My impression years ago was that it was genetic...but I haven't read anything about it for years so I may be wrong.

And I need to go do other things so don't have time to look right now.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

http://www.ksl.com/i..._cid=featured-4

What should we as LDS women start to do to change this? It's almost like a virus that can start and spread. I have to admit that this isn't a problem to me now that I'm not striving to be perfect in the LDS church anymore. But I'll have to admit that I still have depression anyway.

Here is one of the comments in the Comment Section...

"A few quotes from Spenser Kimball empahasise the type of perfection that is expected whether taught as strongly as Kimball or watered down somewhat by the average LDS member.

"Trying is not sufficient. Nor is repentance complete when one merely tries to abandon sin" (p.164).

"In the context of the spirit of forgiveness, one good brother asked me, "Yes, that is what ought to be done, but how do you do it? Doesn't that take a superman?' 'Yes,' I said, 'but we are commanded to be supermen. Said the Lord, 'Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.' (Matt. 5:48.) We are gods in embryo, and the Lord demands perfection of us.'" (p. 286

Even those who say we are saved by Grace after all we can do, leaves a nagging doubt if we have done all we can do. Is all we can do just attending church once a month or is it support of the Quorom stake and elders, journaling, food storage, accepting every calling, doing family home evenings ect.. How much is all we can do how righteuos is righteous enough."

And another one I found interesting...

"I'm not LDS, but I too went through a time, when i was in the Air Force, when i took over a supervisory position, and felt a great load on me. The biggest load was social expectations, and I think this is what the study is trying to highlight. I dont think they are trying to target LDS women, i think they are trying to send a message to LDS women and the Church to take some time for themselves without feeling guilty. I see LDS neighbors that are run, run, run, and I can see the fatigue around their eyes, and wonder why they cant take some time for themselves and slow down a little. A lot of these activities they are participating in are make work, in my opinion, and there is similar pressure in other churches. The guilt is the biggest factor. If you dont serve, you are wasting the Lord's time. But Jesus said to love your neighbor as you would yourself, which means you shouldnt love your neighbor more than yourself, or less than your self, but the same as yourself. So for each moment you give to your neighbor, you should set aside time for yourself as well. You need to take care of yourself. Since i've realized this, I am much happier. I can do both, without guilt."

We spend to much time beating up on ourselves, to much wasted time. No human can be perfect, unless his name I'd Jesus

[Calm]

http://www.ksl.com/i..._cid=featured-4

What should we as LDS women start to do to change this? It's almost like a virus that can start and spread. I have to admit that this isn't a problem to me now that I'm not striving to be perfect in the LDS church anymore.

From the Ensign:

http://www.lds.org/ensign/print/2012/03/moving-on-and-moving-forward?lang=eng&clang=eng

[semlogo]

Again, the copious studies MUST be addressed or all that is being expressed is bias that leans toward slander. When there is a link made between Mormonism and anything else, religiosity has to be measured or Mormonism is not being measured. All it does is prove that Mormonism is healthy because it is the active Mormons who are healthy. If you live your religion instead of just declaring it....you have far lower rates of mental problems. When suicide is probably the prime criteria in measuring depression rates, this study on the low rate of priesthood holding Mormon youth proves that Mormonism protects against suicide. You can only debate why but you can't deny it unless the research is countered. I always shake my head when I see eagerness to implicate "Utah" in something that actually supports living a Mormon (or religious) life! It is irresponsible and intellectually dishonest.

Well, that's the thing - we know there is a lot of depression where Mormons are in greater numbers, but we don't know why. I wouldn't be comfortable speculating that it's active or inactive members. And it's difficult to gauge on a small scale as well - everyone puts on a good face in church, whether they're happy or not.

[JDave]

You've been gone for awhile, I always notice when you post because I love your avatar....so cheerful and bright.

Thanks! Been pretty busy, actually dealing with mental health issues in the family. Pretty draining. I wish I felt more cheerful and bright.

I tend to look at topics that sound interesting, but otherwise have been limiting my time here. Hopefully things will settle down soon and I can actually participate a little bit more.

[Calm]

Thanks! Been pretty busy, actually dealing with mental health issues in the family. Pretty draining. I wish I felt more cheerful and bright.

I tend to look at topics that sound interesting, but otherwise have been limiting my time here. Hopefully things will settle down soon and I can actually participate a little bit more.

Sorry to hear that. They can be very hard. My daughter went through some years with having panic attacks, got to the point of almost daily ones, I'd sleep when I could and did almost nothing else because I knew she'd likely be in bed with me at night shaking for hours...thankfully that turned out to be a physical cause and the drugs have finally corrected the imbalance and now the random ones are almost nonexistent and the ones that do occur, she understands why (low blood sugars, etc.) so they don't get past a certain point as it is more physical than emotional for her. I am beginning to trust that I have most of my life back again.

[The Nehor]

Capital punishment for the unhappy. Problem solved.

[ERayR]

You got me...I'm only thinking they might want to put a good front up possibly. The study on depression might be women seeking help for depression possibly after suppressing true feelings for too long.

Or perhaps the wrong questions were asked in this study or the data interpreted with a bias.

[ERayR]

Conclusion to this "not so scientific" experiment is, there is none. I've no clue if it's the high LDS population that is the problem or higher elevations that is the problem..

It's got to be the Mormon population. How could it be anything else? D*** Mormons anyway.

[Calm]

Capital punishment for the unhappy. Problem solved.

So many problems solved..no more overcrowding, no more pollution (since there would be no humans around, unhappiness being a natural part of a human's life), no more politicians, no more wars, etc. etc. It would cause the problem of who was available to do the executions though.

[The Nehor]

So many problems solved..no more overcrowding, no more pollution (since there would be no humans around, unhappiness being a natural part of a human's life), no more politicians, no more wars, etc. etc. It would cause the problem of who was available to do the executions though.

Robots.

[Judd]

Utah Valley has too many lawyers and too little mental health specialists I suspect. I can only imagine that every where else in Utah save for SL area has the same issue, if not worse. SL may be better as it likely has more access to specialists with the medical school and major hospitals, but it is also more crowded so who knows. Maybe if BYU ever gets a medical school just like they have a law school that will change.

There is a national shortage of psychiatrists, which will get worse as the latest data shows that 55% of psychiatrists are >55 years old. Child psychiatrists are much more hard to come by and, if I'm not mistaken, is the most under served medical specialty, though I'm not sure what criteria that's based on.

With regard to BYU, I'm not sure they'd ever open a medical school, though it wouldn't be too hard for them to, they'd just need a few core clinical faculty and could largely get volunteers and adjunct to provide the rest. There is, however, another school trying to open a school in Utah county starting in 2015. In any case, a medical school wouldn't really (directly) address any of these issues as the only psychiatry residency training program is at the University of Utah, which is likely not producing local providers, but that's neither here not there. I can only think of two child psychiatrists in the valley that do outpatient work. There are also only a handful of outpatient adult psychiatrists, as well.

[Nathair/|\]

Robots.

Cybermen.

[volgadon]

Cybermen.

Cthulhu.

[cdowis]

... you just need to try for perfection.

I tried it for a couple of days.... it didn't work out very well.

[The Nehor]

There is a national shortage of psychiatrists, which will get worse as the latest data shows that 55% of psychiatrists are >55 years old. Child psychiatrists are much more hard to come by and, if I'm not mistaken, is the most under served medical specialty, though I'm not sure what criteria that's based on.

With regard to BYU, I'm not sure they'd ever open a medical school, though it wouldn't be too hard for them to, they'd just need a few core clinical faculty and could largely get volunteers and adjunct to provide the rest. There is, however, another school trying to open a school in Utah county starting in 2015. In any case, a medical school wouldn't really (directly) address any of these issues as the only psychiatry residency training program is at the University of Utah, which is likely not producing local providers, but that's neither here not there. I can only think of two child psychiatrists in the valley that do outpatient work. There are also only a handful of outpatient adult psychiatrists, as well.

I give cheap unlicensed psychiatric help to fill the gap.

[Judd]

I give cheap unlicensed psychiatric help to fill the gap.

There are many willing to do that, unfortunately it also requires a DEA# and an ability to kill as few people as possible.

[The Nehor]

There are many willing to do that, unfortunately it also requires a DEA# and an ability to kill as few people as possible.

I think I can do that. Here is my last attempt at heart transplant surgery.

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