california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Last year: http://www.huffingto...n_n_898745.htmlYou do realize this bill has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. This bill is about teaching that, yes, even gay people are a part of society and have made major contributions to society. This group has given the world some of our greatest painters, writers, architects, musicians etc. This bill is about teaching a very Chiristian values that we all have worth. (or it at least used to be a Christian value that Christ taught) Now is that such a horrible idea? When people want to demonize absolutely everything about being gay, it shows exactly what they think of Christ and his message.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Reporations, affirmative action, hate speech laws.Really? That is the worst list of further rights for gays you can come up with? I think you have affirmed my point. What does this even mean? Gays asking for reparations for what? What kind of affirmative actions do you envision gays asking for? You anticipate free speech being lost if gays are allowed to marry?
USU78 Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 they already have the second two and if the black community can't get reparations I don't think they will.There's reeducation camps. There's being compelled to mouth pro-homosexual platitudes. There's compulsory education on homosexuality in the schools.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 There's reeducation camps. There's being compelled to mouth pro-homosexual platitudes. There's compulsory education on homosexuality in the schools.Boy are you desperate. You forgot mandatory adoption of at least one gay person per family. Kind of like the indian placement program. Or changing the pledge of allegiance to "One nation under gay." Or a national gay fashion police force. Heaven knows this country could use a better sense of fashion. lol.
Saints Alive Posted November 3, 2012 Author Posted November 3, 2012 There's reeducation camps. There's being compelled to mouth pro-homosexual platitudes. There's compulsory education on homosexuality in the schools. I think that is largely unrealistic
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 they already have the second two and if the black community can't get reparations I don't think they will.The point being people use such causes in an effort to change the others think...it never works of course. Reguardless of how ou feel about this issue, I can assure you that people who have faced racial hatred, find it insulting to be compared to being gay.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 The point being people use such causes in an effort to change the others think...it never works of course. Reguardless of how ou feel about this issue, I can assure you that people who have faced racial hatred, find it insulting to be compared to being gay.Some may, many don't. You do realize that the NAACP both supports gay marriage and compares the discrimination of gays with the same discrimination black people faced. Coretta Scott King also was an avocate of gay marriage and beleived that discriminating against gays is just as wrong as discriminating against blacks was. Discrimination is discrimination.
Flyonthewall Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 You do realize this bill has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. This bill is about teaching that, yes, even gay people are a part of society and have made major contributions to society. This group has given the world some of our greatest painters, writers, architects, musicians etc. This bill is about teaching a very Chiristian values that we all have worth. (or it at least used to be a Christian value that Christ taught) Now is that such a horrible idea? When people want to demonize absolutely everything about being gay, it shows exactly what they think of Christ and his message.Jesus Christ is the one that said: Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Would this be acceptable to gays? or do you think they are wanting more?
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Really? That is the worst list of further rights for gays you can come up with? I think you have affirmed my point. What does this even mean? Gays asking for reparations for what? What kind of affirmative actions do you envision gays asking for? You anticipate free speech being lost if gays are allowed to marry?I was asked for examples...not a comprehensive list. I was not aware you are were discussing a "point". Free Speech laws Ihave already been affected in other countries, under hate speech.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Jesus Christ is the one that said: Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. Would this be acceptable to gays? or do you think they are wanting more?The same as everyone else, to excuse the behavior. Every man be they straight or Gay must chose the Spiritual man over the Natural man...it is difficult no matter who you are. But Christ nor his Church excuse behavior, hard to hear but true.
Flyonthewall Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 The same as everyone else, to excuse the behavior. Every man be they straight or Gay must chose the Spiritual man over the Natural man...it is difficult no matter who you are. But Christ nor his Church excuse behavior, hard to hear but true.Dare I say that it appears that the "gay agenda" is not simply wanting not to be condemned, but that homosexual behavior be embraced as good.It seems like it is the same process that got pre-marital sex to be viewed as good and praiseworthy. 1
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Dare I say that it appears that the "gay agenda" is not simply wanting not to be condemned, but that homosexual behavior be embraced as good.It seems like it is the same process that got pre-marital sex to be viewed as good and praiseworthy.The Natural Man within desires the same...it would be nice if my weaknesses could be excused, or the worst of all world' and world's to come.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Jesus Christ is the one that said: Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.Would this be acceptable to gays? or do you think they are wanting more?For some Gays who follow Christ, the sin of homosexuality is having sex outside of marriage. They wish to be married. And they don't think that Christ condemns them for that. They believe that Christ has a path for them back to God also. They believe that God in the form of Christ walked on this earth preaching what He wanted us to do for 3 years. Yet not a peep out of him condemning homosexuality. Christ's mission was more about love and how to treat others. Learning to be charitable and taking care of the widows and orphans. Christ just didn't seem all that hung up on who you love. That message seems to be enough for them. And yes, I realize it is not a belief or path shared by Mormons.
wenglund Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 What else could they ask for after marriage?They could ask that their marriages and lifestyles be promoted in our children's text books. They could ask that their marriages be photographed by, and performed in facilities owned by, and attended and performed by people who have moral and rational objections to homosexual behaviors and relationships. Please keep in mind that legalizing SSM is but the latest step in a long process of normalizing homosexuality. It is but one link in the chain of changing the culture from abhorring, to accepting, to embracing and celebrating homosexual behavior.Thanks, -Wade Englund-
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Dare I say that it appears that the "gay agenda" is not simply wanting not to be condemned, but that homosexual behavior be embraced as good.It seems like it is the same process that got pre-marital sex to be viewed as good and praiseworthy.I don't really think that gay people care whether others think they are sinning or not. They just want marriage equality. That is important to them. They are fully aware that some churches and the Mormon church in particular think they are all going to hell for being in love with someone of the same sex. To say that gays want marriage so they will be liked or accepted is ridiculous in my opinion. Whether gay marriage is legal or not, the attitudes towards gays will not change amongst Mormons and some other churches one iota. Long after gay marriage is legal in this country, churches including the Mormon church will still not like their behavior. They know that.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 (edited) They could ask that their marriages and lifestyles be promoted in our children's text books. They could ask that their marriages be photographed by, and performed in facilities owned by, and attended and performed by people who have moral and rational objections to homosexual behaviors and relationships. Please keep in mind that legalizing SSM is but the latest step in a long process of normalizing homosexuality. It is but one link in the chain of changing the culture from abhorring, to accepting, to embracing and celebrating homosexual behavior.Thanks, -Wade Englund-As you well know, what you describe has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. The lawsuits that you allude to were decided upon by federal discrimination laws in this country not gay marriage laws. But hey, if you need deception to make your case, then by all means use it. Evidently it is a value allowed by your moral code.Misleading Voters About Same Sex Marriage in Mass. Schools Edited November 3, 2012 by california boy
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 For some Gays who follow Christ, the sin of homosexuality is having sex outside of marriage. They wish to be married. And they don't think that Christ condemns them for that. Great point, but herein lies the problem, the State my redefine marriage but the Church cannot. The Church (if it is indeed the Church of Christ, and I believe it is) my always define marriage as between man and woman. Even after polygamy it was still defined as so, and must always reman so.
TAO Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 You do realize this bill has NOTHING to do with gay marriage.But it will.This bill is about teaching that, yes, even gay people are a part of society and have made major contributions to society. This group has given the world some of our greatest painters, writers, architects, musicians etc. This bill is about teaching a very Chiristian values that we all have worth. (or it at least used to be a Christian value that Christ taught) Now is that such a horrible idea? When people want to demonize absolutely everything about being gay, it shows exactly what they think of Christ and his message.What happens when they teach this to a Kindergarten class and a student asks, "What does gay mean?".Futhermore, I am guessing that similar thing were done when issues relating to women and race were inserted into the curriculum. What are they like now? Is it not possible - even probable - that homosexuality will be treated similarly to women and race in textbooks, that is, one-sided, one-opinionated, and calling anybody who disagrees bigots? I think it's more than possible that such will happen.
Kemara Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 They are fully aware that some churches and the Mormon church in particular think they are all going to hell for being in love with someone of the same sex. As you well know, what you describe is NOT what the Mormon church thinks. But hey, if you need deception to make your case, then by all means use it. Evidently it is a value allowed by your moral code. 1
RobertAC Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 You do realize this bill has NOTHING to do with gay marriage. This bill is about teaching that, yes, even gay people are a part of society and have made major contributions to society. This group has given the world some of our greatest painters, writers, architects, musicians etc. This bill is about teaching a very Chiristian values that we all have worth. (or it at least used to be a Christian value that Christ taught) Now is that such a horrible idea? When people want to demonize absolutely everything about being gay, it shows exactly what they think of Christ and his message.Correct. They are not related. The law was intended to teach about the history and contributions of GLBT people much like similar history and contributions are taught as to ethnic minorities. From what I understand, the state-wide official curriculum has not been adopted, although some districts have been teaching the history of gays and lesbians within the state for about 10 years. As for same sex marriage, California still has a constitutional ban on it, although the law will potentially be reviewed by the U.S. Supreme Court.
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 Great point, but herein lies the problem, the State my redefine marriage but the Church cannot. The Church (if it is indeed the Church of Christ, and I believe it is) my always define marriage as between man and woman. Even after polygamy it was still defined as so, and must always reman so.I totally agree with you. No one is asking the Mormon church nor any other church to perform gay marriages. There has never been a single instance in this country where any church has been forced to marry anyone they did not want to. Even when the church was discriminating against blacks, there were no court orders for Mormons to allow blacks access to marriage in the temples.
swfarnsworth Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 If I can ask a question of california boy and/or anyone else who wants to answer, why is it important to the LGBT community to have their relationships legally referred to as "marriage"? If I were in a same-sex relationship (which I am still intent on never having), I can't see how the legal name for that relationship would have any effect on how we would feel about each other, and it certainly wouldn't prevent us from referring to ourselves as being married. I suppose that calling it "marriage" rather than "a domestic partnership" could make some feel like they have society's stamp of approval, but approval comes from individuals, and individuals who do not approve will not approve any more if the legal definition were adjusted.
RobertAC Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 But it will.What happens when they teach this to a Kindergarten class and a student asks, "What does gay mean?".Futhermore, I am guessing that similar thing were done when issues relating to women and race were inserted into the curriculum. What are they like now? Is it not possible - even probable - that homosexuality will be treated similarly to women and race in textbooks, that is, one-sided, one-opinionated, and calling anybody who disagrees bigots? I think it's more than possible that such will happen.Like I said, Tao. It's already happening (with or without gay marriage). Interestingly, in my neighborhood there was a lot of discussion amongst the kids around the time of Prop 8 as to what all of the fuss was about gay marriage. A lot of parents had to do some quick explanations as to the commercials being aired about a little girl telling her mother that two princes can marry each other. LOL!!!!
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 But it will.What happens when they teach this to a Kindergarten class and a student asks, "What does gay mean?".Futhermore, I am guessing that similar thing were done when issues relating to women and race were inserted into the curriculum. What are they like now? Is it not possible - even probable - that homosexuality will be treated similarly to women and race in textbooks, that is, one-sided, one-opinionated, and calling anybody who disagrees bigots? I think it's more than possible that such will happen.Why do you say that it will? Is anything taught in kintergarden about marriage? When was the last time any kintergarden teacher gave a lesson on any kind of marriage? Maybe it will come up. Do you not think that a kintergardener already knows what gay means? It is in the news constantly. How do Mormons handle that kind of situation now? Is being gay the ONLY thing taught in schools that Mormons don't support? Isn't the home the place where children are taught about values? Were you ever taught anything in school that was contrary to your beliefs? How did your parents handle it?
california boy Posted November 3, 2012 Posted November 3, 2012 As you well know, what you describe is NOT what the Mormon church thinks. But hey, if you need deception to make your case, then by all means use it. Evidently it is a value allowed by your moral code.I guess that means you are backing down on the assertions you were making. And just where is a person in a gay relationship going when they die?
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