Bernard Gui Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) Kerry, you're the same old breath of fresh air. Don't stay away so long.Bernard Edited June 23, 2012 by Bernard Gui
Nemesis Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Heh......... I think that ALL ppers that have been rejected ought to be published around here for us all to read.......now wouldn't THAT rock?! Depends on who wrote them and why they were rejected!Nemesis
William Schryver Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Depends on who wrote them and why they were rejected!NemesisDon't worry, I won't submit any papers to you.
Nemesis Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Don't worry, I won't submit any papers to you.I think yours will be out in a much better venue than an obscure message board on the internet.
Jersey Girl Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 I think it was you know who's informant. But I could be wrong. It seems that Dan had an enemy at MI who would feed someone the goings on of Dan at MI. Dan called it stalking. But like I said, I could be wrong about it all.Alright, two can play this why me. :-) I think it was an informant of the informant of he-who-shall-not-be-named on the board-that-shall-not-be-named.How'd I do, eh?
why me Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) Alright, two can play this why me. :-) I think it was an informant of the informant of he-who-shall-not-be-named on the board-that-shall-not-be-named.How'd I do, eh? Well, the you know who on the other board who posts those kind of posts where there is a you know what leaking information has made many claims of the years that his you know what is supplying him with good information. Now to find out who that person is supplying the you know what from the you know whom would be great. By the way, it is nice that you are now posting on this forum. Edited June 23, 2012 by why me
jwhitlock Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Here is a little pertinent history. Brother Dan at his best...http://mimobile.byu....23&num=1&id=815BernardWhat a great article. Enjoyed that one.
jwhitlock Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 I've taken a rather extended hiatus from apologetics during the past few years. I used to be an avid and daily participant here, but I've had other demands on my time for quite a while (professional, home and church stuff).Anyhoo, having followed this story for the last few days, I am more eager than ever to read Greg Smith's article about John Dehlin. While I have some doubts about whether this article played a role in DCP's dismissal as editor, I think Mr. Dehlin will come to regret his continued attempts to censor this article, as those attempts have only brought more attention to the article.Is someone at FAIR going to approach Mr. Smith about publishing his article?Thanks,-SmacI believe they're looking for a venue to publish the article; hopefully it does get published soon. I'd very much like to read it, too. 3
Aliwe Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Bill Hamblin, on 22 June 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:IMPORTANT NOTE: Bradford did not leak the emails. One of the employees of the Maxwell Institute, which he heads, leaked them.And if this information made it to the other board? It is beginning to feel like a Get Smart episode without the humor.The Church should provide better training on the proper use of the Cone of Silence.
Anijen Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) The Church should provide better training on the proper use of the Cone of Silence.Ah, so it is the church's fault that some secret rebel leaked Dan's letter? I think the church teaches confidentiality quite well, but some people feel they just have to open up their mouths, when they should be quiet. Privacy is important.I hope the new direction of NAMI will be a good one. I also would like to see a independent journal or apologetic organization that has teeth. I contributed to NAMI I can simply change my contributions to a new journal very easily. Edited June 23, 2012 by Jeff Holt 1
John Ping Pong Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Dan's public response to his dismissal.http://www.patheos.c...expression.htmlDr. Peterson writes from Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland.A little too close to Reichenbach Falls for comfort.
John Ping Pong Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED THE PUBLICATION HAD ACTUALLY READ THE PAPER!!!!Let me repeat this for clarification purposes:NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED THE PUBLICATION HAD ACTUALLY READ THE PAPER!!!! Not a single one. And, indeed, not a single one has read it to this day. Bradford expressly told Dan he did not want to read the article.More and more this sounds like Bradford is following orders from higher up the food chain.
John Ping Pong Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 This site would not be opposed to the idea, but I think there would be higher profile sites that would be better venues.NemesisOr it might make this into a "higher profile site" overnight.
Aliwe Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Ah, so it is the church's fault that some secret rebel leaked Dan's letter?Sheeze, this is a tough crowd. Can't even get lulz riffing on Maxwell Smart.
mapman Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Not to make light of this, as it is quite sad, but I realized today that Mormon studies is one heck of an interesting field to follow. It's full of drama. We've had forgeries, murders, excommunications, bureaucratic bungling, huge personalities and agendas, secret informants and leaks, and now people are talking of coups and conspiracies. It still isn't clear to me what exactly is going on, but I have to say that it is interesting to read about.
Mudcat Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 I haven't been keeping up with the forum much lately, all this about DCPs dismissal is news to me.I have always thought a lot of him and certainly hate to see the thing get handled so poorly. Regardless of whatever motivations Bradford felt justified his actions towards Dr. P and the associate editors the way he handled it was just plain tacky.From my own experience, things getting botched that poorly are more often the work of board or council rather than an individual. But I know zero about the situation or the political goings on involved in all this sort of stuff, so take that as sheer blind speculation.
cdowis Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 If anyone is interesting in my opinion on the matter:I have been in the private sector for many years, and seen managers hire and fire, make good and bad decisions. Some are courageous, some are cowards in how they implement that decision.Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. It could have been handled in a different manner. This happens all the time and we should be sympathetic to all those concerned, and I am sure he was doing the best he could.Let's not be critical or vindictive.Thanks. 1
Somebodyz Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 If anyone is interesting in my opinion on the matter:I have been in the private sector for many years, and seen managers hire and fire, make good and bad decisions. Some are courageous, some are cowards in how they implement that decision.Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. It could have been handled in a different manner. This happens all the time and we should be sympathetic to all those concerned, and I am sure he was doing the best he could.Let's not be critical or vindictive.Thanks.Not vindictive. But come on, the news papers know of a persons firing, before they even know about it. The anti's and this board know and he still is out of contact with the net, so doesn't know. Paint me disgusted and critcal. 4
John Ping Pong Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. I am not convinced Dr. Bradford had to make this decision, or that it was he who made it, for that matter. 1
wenglund Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED THE PUBLICATION HAD ACTUALLY READ THE PAPER!!!!Let me repeat this for clarification purposes:NONE OF THE PEOPLE WHO OPPOSED THE PUBLICATION HAD ACTUALLY READ THE PAPER!!!! Not a single one. And, indeed, not a single one has read it to this day. Bradford expressly told Dan he did not want to read the article.Astonishing. I thought opposing things one hasn't read was the sole purview of some of the prominant folks at MDB.Thanks, -Wade Englund- 1
cacheman Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 If anyone is interesting in my opinion on the matter:I have been in the private sector for many years, and seen managers hire and fire, make good and bad decisions. Some are courageous, some are cowards in how they implement that decision.Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. It could have been handled in a different manner. This happens all the time and we should be sympathetic to all those concerned, and I am sure he was doing the best he could.Let's not be critical or vindictive.Thanks.I think this is wise counsel. I'm positive that there is much that we are unaware of. I'm sure that the situation is tough for all those directly involved.
wenglund Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 Dr. Peterson writes from Lauterbrunnen, Switzerland.A little too close to Reichenbach Falls for comfort.Excellent! LOL I hope I am not the only one to know to what you refer and the implications thereof.Thanks, -Wade Englund-
why me Posted June 23, 2012 Posted June 23, 2012 (edited) Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. It could have been handled in a different manner. This happens all the time and we should be sympathetic to all those concerned, and I am sure he was doing the best he could.Let's not be critical or vindictive.Thanks.I would assume that Dr. Bradford is intelligent. Since he is intelligent he must have known the impact dan's firing would have on him. Plus, he waited until dan was out of the country, away from the office. And it was done by email which was then leaked to the antimormons. And you are telling us not to be critical? I am critical of any manager or boss who lacks empathy and love for his or her fellow human being that they would fire someone in this fashion. And it becomes worse when it is a brother in the gospel being fired in this way by another brother in the gospel. There is much to be critical about in this situation.Not to mention the firing comes on the heels of a great loss in Dan's life. But no sympathy from Dr. Bradford. Just an email firing and dan's responses leaked to the antimormons who are at this moment is a gleeful mood because of it. Edited June 23, 2012 by why me 3
cursor Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 Dr. Bradford had to make a very painful decision, and made it. It could have been handled in a different manner. This happens all the time and we should be sympathetic to all those concerned, and I am sure he was doing the best he could.Let's not be critical or vindictive.Frankly, it doesn't sound like Dr. Bradford's decision (and subsequent action) to dismiss an entire tier of professional contributors was at all "painful." How sad. Can you say "calloused." As a matter of fact, it sounds to me like he very coldly decided to execute the [multiple] dismissal without consideration for anyone or anything outside his own clearly myopic methods. Any manager/director that executes his/her duties in this irresponsible fashion is bound to be dismissed, in short order. Losses in institution reputation and financial donations demand no less. 1
ERayR Posted June 24, 2012 Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) I haven't been keeping up with the forum much lately, all this about DCPs dismissal is news to me.I have always thought a lot of him and certainly hate to see the thing get handled so poorly. Regardless of whatever motivations Bradford felt justified his actions towards Dr. P and the associate editors the way he handled it was just plain tacky.From my own experience, things getting botched that poorly are more often the work of board or council rather than an individual. But I know zero about the situation or the political goings on involved in all this sort of stuff, so take that as sheer blind speculation.It is often so but one man promoted one step beyond his capabilities can do a lot of damage. Edited June 24, 2012 by ERayR
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