Was Muhammad Inspired of God?

[Ahab]

Ahab,

You wrote, in response to nackhadlow,

That is not a biblical way of thinking about it. Jesus didn't say, "All of us are sheep when we say the truth and savage wolves when we say something incorrect."

He doesn't need to use the same words you use, in quote marks, to convey that message, and yes he did convey that message to me.

Try thinking about it this way: Whenever anyone says anything true and good, they're saying what God would say, since God would say, and probably has already said, over and over, the truth about everything good.

Satan, on the other hand, pretty much always tells lies which usually have some truth mixed in with them, aka "half truths", wherein he will say something true but then add something false in with it so that in total what he says is a lie. The truth Satan is sharing still comes from God, though, because God is the source of all of the truth that we know.

Thus, even Muhammad was a prophet of God, when what he was saying was true, but when Muhammad said something false, he was a false prophet.

As Joseph Smith said, a prophet [of God] is a prophet [of God] only when acting as such.

[Ahab]

Ahab,

Most Mormons won't divulge any specifics to me when I ask them to explain how God answered their prayer to know the Book of Mormon is true. Are you asking me to divulge such specifics to you?

No, but you can if you want to.

I'm simply trying to determine if you believe God answered your question(s) about the Book of Mormon wherein he told you the truth about it.

You act like you're trying to keep it a secret.

[Jason]

Most Mormons won't divulge any specifics to me when I ask them to explain how God answered their prayer to know the Book of Mormon is true. Are you asking me to divulge such specifics to you?

Won't or can't? I am reminded of the old saw about trying to tell someone what salt tastes like.

[Ahab]

Won't or can't? I am reminded of the old saw about trying to tell someone what salt tastes like.

I'm reminded of what Seth Plate said in 'City of Angels'.

"I don't know what it tastes like to you."

Not all people have the same tastes.

[Vance]

Won't or can't? I am reminded of the old saw about trying to tell someone what salt tastes like.

You know what happens when someone actually attempts to explain it? They get mocked.

[Ahab]

You know what happens when someone actually attempts to explain it? They get mocked.

Some people don't like some of the [other] foods I like, either. I still do.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Won't or can't? I am reminded of the old saw about trying to tell someone what salt tastes like.

"Not able", might be a better term for trying to express what it is like to know the BoM is true.

I am not able to tell some what what it is like. I can use words that describe part of the experiance but it fails miserably short in describing the whole of the actual event.

Most use words such as "It fells good". Or "There was a burning in my bosom". But those only convey the smallest part of the event. Consider the movie Contact. When Jodie Fosters character is trying to describe her experiance she is ullimatly not able to describe it. Not being able to accuratly describe something does not mean it did not happen or that it is false.

[Ahab]

"Not able", might be a better term for trying to express what it is like to know the BoM is true.

I am not able to tell some what what it is like. I can use words that describe part of the experiance but it fails miserably short in describing the whole of the actual event.

Most use words such as "It fells good". Or "There was a burning in my bosom". But those only convey the smallest part of the event. Consider the movie Contact. When Jodie Fosters character is trying to describe her experiance she is ullimatly not able to describe it. Not being able to accuratly describe something does not mean it did not happen or that it is false.

I agree, and I believe the reason we can't completely describe it is because we can't completely convey what our Father inspired us to think or to feel.

We can sometimes come close, if our Father helps us by doing what he does when conveying a message to us, but without him we can't replicate what he does.

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

I agree, and I believe the reason we can't completely describe it is because we can't completely convey what our Father inspired us to think or to feel.

We can sometimes come close, if our Father helps us by doing what he does when conveying a message to us, but without him we can't replicate what he does.

And of course this is were teh HG comes into play. He can covney the truth to other people in a away that we cannot. Interesting? yes?

[Ahab]

And of course this is were the HG comes into play. He can convey the truth to other people in a way that we cannot. Interesting? yes?

We actually can when we have the Holy Ghost with us. It's just that we can't do it all by ourselves.

Interesting? Yes?

[Muc'ul Ajwalil]

Bump...

Prophet or not, Muhammad did do very great things for the people that were there at the time. One needs to look at Arabia during the period of jahiliyah, and then compare it to a few hundred years later.

[Cold Steel]

This is a topic I've given a lot of thought to.

First, are the Islamic teachings today the same as those taught to Muhammad? If so, then there's no way they could be of God. But if the religion was subjected to the same forces of apostasy that the Christian faith was at the time, it's possible that the Islam of today is a crude, and rude, representation of the ancient faith.

Islam, of today, is the Antichrist. It's the greatest force amassed against Judaism in our time. It keeps the Jews from building their temple; it keeps the Jews from developing the ancestral lands that have been given to them. And it is Islam of today that will amass against them in a campaign to utterly destroy them in the last days. Islam is also the last remaining barrier to the Gospel being preached in their lands. Not only do they reject the Gospel, themselves, they threaten converts (or potential converts) with death. And these aren't radical terrorist type Muslims, but regular everyday Muslims. Based on verses in Zechariah, it appears that this problem will continue on until after Christ's return. Zechariah warns nations that fought in the battle of Armageddon that if they don't go up to the Feast of Tabernacles in Jerusalem -- after the battle -- that they will be visited with plague and other judgments. This, to me, indicates a reticence on their part. In other words, they will be so bitter, even against God and his people, that they will initially resist, and will feel betrayed by God -- but of course by a God who didn't exist.

Muhammad didn't leave any successors. Neither did Ellen G. White. They were one-man shows. It speaks well of Joseph Smith that he left successors, and that he felt relieved when they had been endowed with the proper keys of authority. He was very clear to his followers that he was laying the framework of something that would succeed him and become greater. Muhammad didn't do that. It never occurred to him. If he had a work, it was a very limited work, and one that would metastasize into something that was destined to work against God and his people. In the battle of Armageddon, it was the people from the nations "round about" Jerusalem that were to join the people of Gog in their murderous war against the Jews.

[Hamba Tuhan]

Not only do they reject the Gospel, themselves, they threaten converts (or potential converts) with death. And these aren't radical terrorist type Muslims, but regular everyday Muslims

Interesting. I've spent several years of my life living in a predominantly Muslim nation, worshipping alongside literally thousands of Latter-day Saints who were raised as Muslims but who later embraced the Restored Gospel. Apparently neither these people nor their slacker neighbours seem to have got the same memo you did.

[Hamba Tuhan]

It seems to me that given the spread of the Islam that perhaps the inspiration was not from God.

I think it's a grave mistake and downright dangerous to think that Muhammad was inspired by God....

I don't know if we can answer positively whether or not Muhammed was inspired of God.

No idea.

So no

[Sky]

Just adding my 2 cents

[Vance]

• tell the truth about himself and others

There goes Abraham, under the Rob Bowman bus.

[ttribe]

So I disagree with you so you insult me and link me with this group of terrorist, that is insulting and beneath you. Thank you very much Dan

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

There goes Abraham, under the Rob Bowman bus.

Can we say, "Another one rides the bus"?

[Jason]

And still our critics have the audacity to accuse us of being simple sheep who mindlessly accept whatever the prophets say!

An excellent point.

[Vance]

Never mind.

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

You're overreacting. DCP clearly, and appropriately, corrected your understanding of the Muslim text. Without coming out and forcefully condemning you, he pointed out errors you were making in the interpretation of someone else's religion and subtly pointed out that, perhaps, you were making errors that are similar to those made by many of our detractors. Instead of getting all hot and bothered, perhaps some reflection on whether the man may actually be correct in his response?

Sorry, but I just hate the men he said I agreed with

[Mola Ram Suda Ram]

Besides my name is quickly becoming crap around here.

What are you talking about?

We all make mistakes and we all read things into what other people have posted. I am so guilty of it. Your name is not crap around here. Just eat a cookie. By the time you get to the door.......

[Bill “Papa” Lee]

What are you talking about?

We all make mistakes and we all read things into what other people have posted. I am so guilty of it. Your name is not crap around here. Just eat a cookie. By the time you get to the door.......

I like cookies...

[ttribe]

Sorry, but I just hate the men he said I agreed with

[Ceeboo]

Just one question:

How in the POOP did this thread get 5 stars? (And who was doiong the voting?)

Peace,

Ceeboo