urroner Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 shalamabobbiIt says that the Bible does not state marriage is considered a reward.Being married to my second wife wasn't a reward.
shalamabobbi Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 >The chapter you like to quote in Corinthians has to do with missionary service which is a temporary calling. It is better to remain single so you can concentrate on your calling and pleasing the Lord instead of your wife.Which verse indicates it is a temporary calling?verse 7:29 When the man leaves to do missionary service the wife stays behind at home. Should this continue until death you think?
johnny Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 shalamabobbiverse 7:29 When the man leaves to do missionary service the wife stays behind at home. Should this continue until death you think?Verse 7:29 is not referring to temporary calling. Paul is indicate that the world is passing by. Paul advises Christians to go about the ordinary activities of life in a manner different from those who are totally immersed in them and unaware of their transitoriness.1Cor.7 ([28] But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. [29] But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; [30] And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not;)
Luigi Posted January 2, 2009 Posted January 2, 2009 LuigiGod is able to identify ...Well, good for him. But unless we can identify it in ourselves and/or others God knowing it is not very helpful. How do you know someone is saved or even that you yourself is saved for that matter.
shalamabobbi Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 faith w/o the spirit is deadAre you correcting James?1 Cor 7 That's what it says to you.Scripture separates them it says "through faith ... not of works"See post #233I agree ... the will of the Father is faithHow does somebody do faith?John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God , or whether I speak of myself.
shalamabobbi Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 It says that the Bible does not state marriage is considered a reward.Matt 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together let no man put asunder.Genisis 2:25 And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.The second verse states that Adam and Eve had been married prior to the fall. Which raises an interesting conundrum for your POV.What would have happened had they eaten of the tree of life and disregarded the tree of knowledge of good and evil?Would they have remained married?
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 LuigiWell, good for him. But unless we can identify it in ourselves and/or others God knowing it is not very helpful. How do you know someone is saved or even that you yourself is saved for that matter.Like I said earlier God is the one who knows .... be saved is about grace.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 shalamabobbiAre you correcting James?No ... James 2:26 says "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.".That's what it says to you.That's what is says in the NAB footnotes, see link belowhttp://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/1corinth...ans7.htm#foot12See post #233See Eph 2:8,9 below,Eph.2 ([8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.)How does somebody do faith?John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God , or whether I speak of myself.By believing.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 shalamabobbiWhat would have happened had they eaten of the tree of life and disregarded the tree of knowledge of good and evil?No death ...Would they have remained married?Their relationship would continue.
shalamabobbi Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 That's what is says in the NAB footnotes, see link belowWe accept the authority of prophets over that of scribes and scholars, but you knew that..JST 1 Cor 7:29 But I speak unto you who are called unto the ministry. For this I say, brethren, the time that remaineth is but short, that ye shall be sent forth unto the ministry. Even they who have wives, shall be as though they had none; for ye are called and chosen to do the Lord's work.What would have happened had they eaten of the tree of life and disregarded the tree of knowledge of good and evil?No death ...Would they have remained married?Their relationship would continue.Then how can you believe that marriage for all eternity is something contrary to God's will?The atonement was to correct the effects of the fall to allow us access again to that very 'tree of life'.Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 shalamabobbiWe accept the authority of prophets over that of scribes and scholars, but you knew that..Are you saying you accept the JST as authoritative ... do you know that other Mormon's would disagree?Then how can you believe that marriage for all eternity is something contrary to God's will?The Bible reveals God's will is for some to receive God's gift to be unmarried for the kingdom of God and for some to answer their calling to marry.The Mormon commandment of marriage is a man-made commandment. God's commandment is to believe and love one another. When we love God we keep his commandments, not man made commandments.Our goal is not marriage in a Mormon temple like the Mormon Church teaches, our goal is our marriage to the bridegroom. The atonement was to correct the effects of the fall to allow us access again to that very 'tree of life'.I agree ...
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumClearly then Joseph Smith must not be a true prophet because the creeds are consistent with the inspired word of God.The creeds are man made insertions by apostate priests.
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 FlyonthewallBut we don't do the work to be saved ...I agreeSo do MormonsGo buy the book Believing Christ by Stephen Robinson. Then get back to me on this. That is if you are really interested in understand LDS views on this, which I doubt you are.
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 captain-jackSee below,Gospel Principles Chapter 46 "Those who inherit the highest degree of the celestial kingdom, who become gods, must also have been married for eternity in the temple. All who inherit the celestial kingdom will live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ forever." -GUIDE TO THE SCRIPTURES Damnation - The state of being stopped in oneâ??s progress and denied access to the presence of God and his glory. Damnation exists in varying degrees. All who do not obtain the fulness of celestial exaltation will to some degree be limited in their progress and privileges, and they will be damned to that extent.One can be in the celestial kingdom without marrying. They will not be gods. But they will be in heaven. But I explained this too you five times. Are you being dense on purpose?
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 shalamabobbiWill a single person who does not follow the Mormon commandment of tithing be able to live with their heavenly Father in his glory?Yes.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumThe creeds are man made insertions by apostate priests.The creeds are totally consistent with the inspired word of God.Please provide the evidence that they "are man made insertions by apostate priests.".
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 A person who acknowledges Christ, if they are truly a believer in Him, will keep the commandments.So there you have it. Saved Christians must keep the commandments or else they were really not saved. As I said earlier, faith and works are linked and cannot be separated not at all. And BTW, I agree works don't save us, nor does obedience.
Jeff K. Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Your kidding right? Man made creeds from a council brought together by a political power that had no interest in religion but intense interest in unification in which the political power declared some creeds to be false and others true, and not one prophet to speak with god among them.Immaculate conception I believe in. Immaculate scholarship untouched by God, you have to be kidding me.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumI agreeSo do MormonsThe third A/F of Mormonism indicates that Mormon's believe work to be saved.Go buy the book Believing Christ by Stephen Robinson. Then get back to me on this. That is if you are really interested in understand LDS views on this, which I doubt you are.It is easy to understand ... Mormons believe they must obey the Mormon commandments of marriage, tithing, not using wine/tobacco/coffee if they want to live with their heavenly Father.
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 The creeds are totally consistent with the inspired word of God.Denial is not just a river in Egypt.Please provide the evidence that they "are man made insertions by apostate priests.".Just read the Bible. They contradict scripture.Additional evidence is Jesus told JS that they were an abomination.
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumOne can be in the celestial kingdom without marrying. They will not be gods. But they will be in heaven. But I explained this too you five times. Are you being dense on purpose?Mormonism is about works, if one does not obey the Mormon commandment of marriage then they are damned, they will not be called gods.
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 The third A/F of Mormonism indicates that Mormon's believe work to be saved.As noted and we see once again, Johny is a dogmatic hack. I have explained this about three times here. Yet like a mindless parrot he just repeats his mantra and ignores my evidence.It is easy to understand ... Mormons believe they must obey the Mormon commandments of marriage, tithing, not using wine/tobacco/coffee if they want to live with their heavenly Father.More evidence that Johny is a dogmatic hack. But now I can simply state you are not being honest. Until you go back and prove what I showed you out of LDS Canon, which canon trumps when figuring out what IS LDS DOCTRINE you are essentially lying. What does your precious scripture apostolic tradition say about that?
johnny Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumJust read the Bible. They contradict scripture.Waiting for you show me where ...all I hear is your empty words.Additional evidence is Jesus told JS that they were an abomination.That is one of reasons I consider JS a false prophet because his words are not consistent with inspired word of God.
Jeff K. Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 Does the fact that you have several different creeds over a period of time that happened to coincide with the political winds and contradicted each other lead you to have greater faith in those creeds?I have this great bridge in New York for sale that just has your name on it Mr. Brooklyn.....
Teancum Posted January 3, 2009 Posted January 3, 2009 TeancumMormonism is about works, if one does not obey the Mormon commandment of marriage then they are damned, they will not be called gods.JohnyYou are a liar. A liar plain and simple. I know LDS doctrine better than you do. If this is the fruit of your faith I will pass. Have a lovely day you dogmatic hack.
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