Paul Ray Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 I just shook my head wondering why no LDS will fess up to the WoW stating meat is only for winter and/or famine.Round n' round.... because that's not what our Lord said. That is your interpretation of our Lord's words.Try reading the scripture again while trying to understand the actual meaning of those words.
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Russ, it seems to me the problem is this: you feel if a revelation of Joseph Smith cannot find an exact parallel in the Bible, it is thus extra-Biblical, and thus it is untrue, or not "of God." Latter-day Saints believe in continuing revelation. We do not rely solely on the Bible for all our doctrines. However, most if not all revelations aside from the Bible the Church holds as true can find parallels within the Bible. Your argument seems to be a matter of degrees. God has, in the past, given revelation regarding the proper use of food. We believe in the WoW God has done the same thing.
Doctor Steuss Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 [...]I just shook my head wondering why no LDS will fess up to the WoW stating meat is only for winter and/or famine.I just shook my head wondering why someone canâ??t see that the WoW is not as dogmatically closed-minded as they are.Round n' round.I love when implements of culinary creation share the same pigmentation.
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 I just want to interject my appreciation for the use of " 'n " though I must point out you placed the apostrophe on the wrong side.
Bill “Papa” Lee Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 A-!?! Don't insult the meat! If it needs "sauce" someone didn't cook it right, amen?The point is is that the LDS religion states that God is displeased with meat consumption outside of conditions of famine and cold weather.The further point is that this contradicts our Bibles. God is not displeased by our partaking of His bounty. All things in moderation...no matter cold or hot outside. The D&C is wrong.This is not the case...I have never, ever heard that teaching unless someone is reading it wrong. Look more closley at the scripture. The D&C is correct...The Lord is saying Not to use in only in times of winter etc.
Garden Girl Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 I started to reply to Russ here... but then I thought, Why bother? Eight pages and still going... all he wants to do is bash, as he has done throughout his post... Garden Girl
Tsuzuki Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 I started to reply to Russ here... but then I thought, Why bother? Eight pages and still going... all he wants to do is bash, as he has done throughout his post... Garden GirlPerhaps we can distract him with a steak.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Should a member of the LDS church even care if modern revelation "contradicts" the Bible? With an open canon, shouldn't we expect revelation suited to our time? And might not such revelation supersede earlier revelation?Protestant prooftexting doesn't exactly work with Mormonism very well.Nope, it doesnt. Good point.
Russ Posted October 9, 2007 Author Posted October 9, 2007 Perhaps we can distract him with a steak.AHA!!!You found my weak spot.
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 AHA!!!You found my weak spot. Russ, for the sake of my own interest, could you neglect the fun aspects of the thread for a moment and answer my post above? I kept it brief. Thanks.
Edsel Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 There is the whole premise isnt it. Breaking the WoW in its original form was not a commandment and hence not a sin. Later parts of it were commanded and is now a sin to break parts of it. Not eating too much of the red meat is just that, wisdom. If I eat too much red meat it is not wise to do so. Modern medicine has confirmed this. Do you agree. Eating to much red meat, or any other meat, though is not a sin because it has not been commanded. So, If breaking the WoW is a sin, is your whole premise I will be the first to correct it. I think you see the point now. Im sorry I had to be so stern but you were unwilling to see it.Bolding is mine. I am a little confused. When did parts become a commandment? How did they become a commandment? Revelation? What parts became a commandment?I know I am asked in my Temple Recommend interview about the WofW, I think I assume and I think that the Bishop assumes that we are mainly referring to coffee, tea, tobacco.....but I didn't think they were a commandment but just higher obedience (wisdom) to enter the temple. In other words, I didn't think that any of it has ever became a commandment but just a "word of wisdom". Help!I will appreciate any offered enlightenment. Thank you in advance, Edsel PS I hope I am not messing with the intent of this thread.
Paul Ray Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Bolding is mine. I am a little confused. When did parts become a commandment? How did they become a commandment? Revelation? What parts became a commandment?I think it officially started with Brigham Young. He said something about how he considered any counsel from God to be a commandment, and the Church, as a whole, sustained that. You can find more info by using the internet and googling. I know I am asked in my Temple Recommend interview about the WofW, I think I assume and I think that the Bishop assumes that we are mainly referring to coffee, tea, tobacco.....but I didn't think they were a commandment but just higher obedience (wisdom) to enter the temple. In other words, I didn't think that any of it has ever became a commandment but just a "word of wisdom". Help!Think about how the TR question is actually phrased.Do you keep the word of wisdom?How you answer that question is between you and your bishop.You are not required to tell us.I will appreciate any offered enlightenment. Thank you in advance, EdselYou're very welcome, Edsel. PS I hope I am not messing with the intent of this thread.If you are, I think helping you out a little is worth any penalty I may face.
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted October 9, 2007 Posted October 9, 2007 Bolding is mine. I am a little confused. When did parts become a commandment? How did they become a commandment? Revelation? What parts became a commandment?I know I am asked in my Temple Recommend interview about the WofW, I think I assume and I think that the Bishop assumes that we are mainly referring to coffee, tea, tobacco.....but I didn't think they were a commandment but just higher obedience (wisdom) to enter the temple. In other words, I didn't think that any of it has ever became a commandment but just a "word of wisdom". Help!I will appreciate any offered enlightenment. Thank you in advance, Edsel PS I hope I am not messing with the intent of this thread.You got it. Notice they dont specificaly ask do you eat meat during the summer months. They only ask things that pertain to the coffee, drugs, alcohol, and tea. That is what became a commandement later. It really is simple. Also what Paul Ray said.
Russ Posted October 10, 2007 Author Posted October 10, 2007 ...Notice they don't specificaly ask do you eat meat during the summer months....Why not?The LDS commandment is there to not eat meat in summer.LOL!Love it.
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 As I said earlier, Russ: for the sake of my own interest, could you neglect the fun aspects of the thread for a moment and answer my post above? I kept it brief. Thanks.My post is here, care to respond? Thanks.
Russ Posted October 10, 2007 Author Posted October 10, 2007 Russ, it seems to me the problem is this: you feel if a revelation of Joseph Smith cannot find an exact parallel in the Bible, it is thus extra-Biblical, and thus it is untrue, or not "of God." Latter-day Saints believe in continuing revelation. We do not rely solely on the Bible for all our doctrines. However, most if not all revelations aside from the Bible the Church holds as true can find parallels within the Bible. Your argument seems to be a matter of degrees. God has, in the past, given revelation regarding the proper use of food. We believe in the WoW God has done the same thing.Dear LifeOnAPlate. Your screen name makes me hungry for New York Strip! (Properly cooked, it's the best steak you'll ever have. Filet Mignon is but a back-seat wanna be.)My argument is not "matter of degrees" but rather an argument based precisely on the precise words used in the precise WoW.In it, we find that meat is "out of season" in summer.I find no caveats regarding the 1800s vs. the 21st century contained within the WoW. Your response, therefore, is an argument from silence.P.S. One person of the LDS persuasion (Was it nra-Jeff? (NRA here at MAD)) once told me that it had to do with lack of refrigeration during JS's time. Yeah, umm, okay?
ann Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 I'd just like to say that today at the grocery store I bought three pounds of hamburger and two steaks... should I be going to the bishop?
Tsuzuki Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 I'd just like to say that today at the grocery store I bought three pounds of hamburger and two steaks... should I be going to the bishop?No, you must go to the steak president.
Mormon Factor Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 No, you must go to the steak president. That's if you can see him. The steak president usually has a lot of 'meatings'.
ann Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 oh that's witty, I don't think I would've thought of that one....
LifeOnaPlate Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 Dear LifeOnAPlate. Your screen name makes me hungry for New York Strip! (Properly cooked, it's the best steak you'll ever have. Filet Mignon is but a back-seat wanna be.)My argument is not "matter of degrees" but rather an argument based precisely on the precise words used in the precise WoW.In it, we find that meat is "out of season" in summer.I find no caveats regarding the 1800s vs. the 21st century contained within the WoW. Your response, therefore, is an argument from silence.P.S. One person of the LDS persuasion (Was it nra-Jeff? (NRA here at MAD)) once told me that it had to do with lack of refrigeration during JS's time. Yeah, umm, okay?So your complaint is that the members of the Church don't eat meat "only in times of winter and famine"? Thus, the Church is false, or?
Tsuzuki Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 That's if you can see him. The steak president usually has a lot of 'meatings'. Hopefully he doesn't have too many during the summer.
ann Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 So your complaint is that the members of the Church don't eat meat "only in times of winter and famine"? Thus, the Church is false, or?What! The church is false?!Why wasn't I informed!
Tsuzuki Posted October 10, 2007 Posted October 10, 2007 What! The church is false?!Why wasn't I informed! Russ tried, but his mouth was full.
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