ZealouslyStriving

Bingo.

Where in the quote does it teach the thing you claim (underlined)? Edit: The actual quote from TPJS... God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens! That is the great secret. If the veil were rent today, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible,—I say, if you were to see him today, you would see him like a man in form—like yourselves in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image and likeness of God, and received instruction from, and walked, talked and conversed with him,as one man talks and communes with another.

They will remain in Spirit "Prison" I doubt it, but there will probably be people that cling tenaciously to whatever belief system they held in this life and will let people know it. Us, and Christ, will be fully aware of the experiences we had in mortality. It seems from NDE's that we are allowed to see certain people special to us prior to our interview with God. There are probably more reunions afterwards. I believe Christ will perform that initial judgement based on all the things you mentioned. I believe whether or not the ordinances, and associated Covenants, were received are a factor in one who reached a sufficient level of accountability here on Earth. I don't believe judgement is necessarily harsh or non-harsh, it just places you in the correct place according to what you were willing to receive. If you are placed in Spirit Prison to be taught, the way forward is through accepting ordinances done in your behalf in Temples here in Earth. Sort of. Merely possessing one doesn't guarantee anything, one has to faithfully honor the covenants one has made. No. Children who die before they were accountable and those who never possessed sufficient mental capacity to understand right from wrong will be in Paradise. No problem.

I believe you are overthinking things.

I guess those translations work as long as we understand that sin is not imputed to us until, and unless, we become accountable.

To me it's kinda akin to being a non-member- there is just stuff you can't do. Maybe there are members only neighborhoods in the Spirit World that you can't move into until you accept your baptism?

You are not going to find a book with the definitive teaching on exactly what happens post-death/pre-resurrection, as there are many unanswered question- so you would be getting one's personal, though well-considered, opinion. But the basic outline: 1) You return to the God who gave you life and receive a preliminary judgement. 2) You are assigned to Paradise, Prison**, or Hell (for those saying "Whaaat?!"- read your Gospel Principles manual.) 3) Those assigned to Spirit Prison have the Gospel preached to them and upon acceptance of ordinances performed on their behalf, are reassigned to Paradise. 4) Those assigned to Hell wait in that condition until the final resurrection. **Sprit Prison isn't nearly as bad as it sounds. **

But how do other translations render this? I like the options because you can look at the various translations and usually find one that best fits with the Church's teaching on the idea being presented

So you are of the opinion that 132 was received in 1843 and not merely recorded in 1843?

Guess I should've been more precise... How are you extrapolating eternal marriage from the Temple without the revelation that reveals the sealing of marriage? Also... How does that jive with the polygamy deniers that now are saying that Temple rites are also an invention Brigham Young? We already know the direction this whole arguments takes... We need look no further than the Reorganized Church.

How do you figure?

Scenario: Poof! Section 132 disappears... Where does the doctrine of eternal marriage come from?

She didn't merely "announce" she is a polygamy denier- she went in the offensive. When you publicly and persistently impugn the name of former prophets and apostles and promote conspiracy theories up to, and including, suggesting that former Church leaders killed or had Joseph killed- don't be surprised if your Stake Presidency comes calling.

Not yet... When one pops up, I'll link it.

There are early reports that a chapel in Bajos de Haina, DR was attacked by a man using a chemical agent in a toy gun. One person was hospitalized, but is doing fine.

or (quoting you) Which is it?

That is the issue with you not actually watching Jonah's stuff. He very clearly sees himself as someone trying to peak the curiosity of others to look deeper into things, instead of being passive observers. He has never said, "You need to listen to me and believe everything I say."

If be this you mean he likes to hear himself speak, no one denies that- even those who enjoy him.

A Temple was announced today at a special Christmas devotional in Portland, Maine. Does this signal a new direction in the announcement of new Temples? https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/temple-to-be-built-in-portland-maine?fbclid=IwdGRjcAOsJ85jbGNrA6wnwWV4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHmU9UQTQJ7TzURkyYghEdgq73hxmuEMwJnSyTeDMXblE9V97pyOuqvd9a6EU_aem_ndD3ni-t-FhrtS5HPbqI_w **Edit: I should've read the whole article- that's exactly what it signals! **

AI Overview +8 In traditional Protestant theology, views vary, but the dominant perspective (Restrictivism) holds that those who die without hearing the Gospel face condemnation because all humanity is inherently sinful and needs Christ, though some Evangelical views (Inclusivism/Universalism) suggest God's mercy offers salvation through conscience or a final chance at death for the unevangelized, while some believe everyone knows God through nature and rejects Him, making them accountable regardless. Key verses often cited are Romans 10:14 ("faith comes from hearing") and Romans 1:20 (God's invisible attributes known through creation). Dominant View (Restrictivism) No Innocence: People aren't innocent; they know God exists through creation but suppress that truth, leading them to reject Him and need salvation through Jesus. Condemnation: Since faith comes through hearing the Word (Romans 10:14), those who never hear are considered lost. Alternative/Nuanced Views Inclusivism: God's grace extends to those who haven't heard, potentially through a general revelation or a post-mortem opportunity, where their conscience judges them. Universal Opportunity: Some believe everyone gets a chance to respond to Christ at the moment of death. Old Testament Saints: Some traditions hold that people before Christ (like Old Testament figures) were saved by faith in God's revealed promises, awaiting the Messiah in a temporary holding place (Hades/Limbo). Key Scriptural Basis Romans 1:20: All people know God through creation but exchange His glory for idols. Romans 10:14-15: "How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them?". Ultimately, most Protestants agree people need Jesus, but differ on whether hearing the specific Gospel message is an absolute prerequisite for salvation, or if God's mercy covers those genuinely seeking Him without ever hearing the explicit message.

If I remember correctly, it is 110 years from the date of birth before a non-family member can perform the Temple ordinances without family permission.

I hope you know I'm just having fun. The 80's were a wild time!

You are not making sense. Because I personally believe that category #2 refers to men called as prophets among the nations prior to the coming of Christ- and category #3 refers to all righteous Saints from all dispensations.

How about this diddy?

How could you miss this classic?!