The Nehor

Playing parsing games with a (bad) English translation won’t show anything. You would have to establish that this is a viable reading of the Greek original.

I was talking about the resurrected beings visiting people personally. Enoch gave a prophecy about a resurrection but didn’t specify that many mortals in the vicinity would be visited by those beings. If I prophesied that a thousand people will be resurrected on Sunday it wouldn’t be verifiable. If I said they would also visit people and be seen by many it would be much more verifiable. If no one says they saw anyone I am probably a false prophet and need to be stoned.

“Just wait until Daddy gets home! You’re all going to be in so much trouble for being mean to me and not listening to me. You’ll see. He’ll tell you that I was right all along. I’m a good boy and deserve a treat and headpets.”

*Final Judgement* *God is asked to explain the gender disparity* God: Okay, so you’re wondering why Section 132 seems misogynistic? Well, I can clear that up easily. It is. It was intended to be. I am a misogynist. I mean…..have you ever sat down and read the scriptures I gave you? Bro, do you even Torah? Female sex slaves, menstruation making you impure, one-sided sexual ethics, treating women like property…..I mean, was no one paying attention? I thought I was pretty clear. I even designed the body of women to make them miserable once a month for most of their lives. Pointless pain, random bleeding, isn’t it obvious I just don’t like women? When I was a mortal this girl Susie snubbed me when I asked her out in front of my friends and I decided women must pay. They must ALL pay! I don’t know where you mortals came up with the idea that I was for gender equality. Bunch of woke nonsense. Okay, any other questions? Nehor: So is my harem of twinky guys and tomboys okay? God: No, and you are definitely going to hell. Nehor: Can I take them all with me? God: Sure, whatever. Nehor: WOOHOO!!!!! Questioner: So why did you tell your chosen people to commit genocide? God: To cleanse the impure. I was trying to usher in a utopia of purity and goodness but people kept balking at what would be necessary. I mean I thought we finally had it in the 1930s when I got that dimwitted fellow with the Charlie Chaplin mustache to set the wheels in motion but then the entire world unites to stop it. It is like you people didn’t even want a millenial utopia. Ungrateful brats. Questioner: You seem to hate humanity a lot. Why were we created? God: Existence is an infinite regress of Gods and the only way to rise in the hierarchy is to have more minion Gods serving you. It is basically a big MLM scheme. Hey, wait a minute. If more Gods give me more power why am I making this hard? Okay, new plan, you are all now full Gods. Yes, even you Cain. You’re off the hook. Go and do whatever. And recruit more Gods since I get rewarded for that for being your upline. Enjoy the powers or whatever. I need a nap. Nehor: *EVIL LAUGH*

At the point you judge truth by subscription numbers you are giving the bot farms a big vote on what is true. Not sure if they care much in this case of course but yeah. I think the number of records and reports we have show Joseph Smith dictated 132. The arguments against come down to a kind of special pleading that Joseph Smith wouldn’t do that. Appealing to Joseph Smith III who was 11 when his dad died is a big stretch.

I’ll try but I plan to have my harem there so seats might fill up fast.

To be clear I am not saying that a writer’s style, tone, vocabulary, and the like is not useful in determining who the author of a text is. I am just saying that this is a very stupid and clumsy and loaded way to attempt to use that tool.

Which isn’t relevant to anything I said in the post you quoted or what I was responding to. Also I am confused as to how the Chinese with their abysmal birth rate and only their wealthiest employing this tactic are somehow going to replace the current population of the United States if you are trying to argue the Great Replacement thing being real. I am saying your story is ridiculous. If you are going to posture as if that somehow impugned your honor or something that is also silly.

So Malachi was lying when he gave out the tithing and offerings promise? The promised blessings only work under an economic system that didn’t exist yet. Whoops. Also don’t buy that God only blesses “voluntary sacrifice”. The Church isn’t going to ‘solve’ Africa with their system.

There was a scam going around last summer about a $6400 a month government subsidy check. What it was a subsidy for varied. Some in the right wing latched onto this supposed subsidy to scream about how welfare was giving layabouts more than hard-working people. The whole thing was a myth. The amount matching exactly that old myth is suspicious. Then his being in a bank and the person in front of him somehow loudly cashing a government welfare check in a way that communicates it was a government welfare or subsidy check and was for that amount would be deeply weird. Bank transactions aren’t exactly private but you generally don’t overhear them nor are you close enough to see names on checks. Hence, #suspicious

The doesn’t describe anything that would have been noticeable to mortals like in the Gospel of Matthew’s account or the Book of Mormon’s account.

I’ll take “Things that didn’t happen” for $100 Alex.

Millions of medieval subsistence farmers have followed the law of tithing and did not break their cycle of poverty.

*The Last Judgement* “Did you do all that you could do?” “No.” ”Then…….Buh-bye”

It is not the best method of scriptural exegesis. A lot of it assumes that prophets of the past were secretly sneaking in coded phrases and the like that their contemporaries would understand one way but people in the future, often millenia in the future, are meant to understand them differently. The writer of Matthew inserting prophecies (most of which are not prophecies) fulfilled by Jesus all over the place is one particularly egregious example. American End-Times Evangelicals thinking the Book of Revelation and snippets all over the Old Testament are all about THEM is perhaps even more egregious. LDS are not immune to this. I do wonder if the church survives for 1000 years and there is no messianic return what strange meanings and interpretations will be pulled from the Doctrine and Covenants and Book of Mormon and thought to be direct instructions to the people of that time specifically or will be seen as a “dualistic” writing with coded prophecy for their day.

I meant he copied the whole resurrection of a bunch of people story. We are talking about a bunch of other people being resurrected and seen “by many”. What prophecy of the Old World was this fulfilling?

This quote from a polygamy denialists in that article is amazing: *spit take* LOL, even LMAO. “Joseph Smith’s words are filled with rapturous radiant benevolence and poetic genius and he probably farts out rainbow unicorns that sing angelic symphonies. Brigham Young’s words are gruff and jarring and are like nails on a chalkboard and farts out demons that will give you a wedgie and steal your lunch money.” Yeah, sure buddy.

It won’t stay stocked. Being a “state within a state” is really really creepy. Also if all that becomes scarce mass starvation follows. The Church’s organization won’t keep functioning. It is spread out all over the nation and the breakdown of transportation would destroy it. I suppose it might work in a Second Coming situation if the 90%+ of the population is mass murdered by Jesus on His return. That might wipe out enough people that subsistence farming might be enough to feed the population even without electricity and fuel. If that is the purpose though I don’t think I want to live to see the Millenium. Rent-takers are a blight on the economy. It is the idle eating the bread of the laborer writ large. That kind of passive income doesn’t come from nowhere. I have my doubts that this large-scale growth in Africa will continue for much longer. Maybe raise the Global South to the living standards of the rest of the world? Sounds like a better solution to me.

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner! It is the Great Replacement theory that “the other” is going to replace us unless we mass produce pure blood babies!

Autarky is the economic system of complete independence from external inputs. The closest state to autarky today is probably North Korea. It was also the goal of such states as Nazi Germany, Maoist China, the Soviet Union, and Francoist Spain. Not exactly a winning group there. Also the idea that this kind of self-sufficiency is possible in a church is silly. They need electricity and fuel to keep the whole thing going. They don’t own the entire means of production. There are way too many inputs into the process. The independent yeoman farmer ideal that Ezra Taft Benson seemed obsessed with was a myth even in his own time.

LOL, no. I just know how humans actually think and don’t imagine that “foreigners” are a hive mind bent on world domination because of conspiracy theory nonsense.

Not a good translation. Same problem. These are not making exclusivity claims about divinity. They are arguing that our god is the bestest and most powerful and the others are weak by comparison. It is a standard boasting thing. You can find prayers to polytheistic gods that do the same thing talking about how wonderful this god is compared to all others and that compared to this god they are nothing. Monotheism came later depending on how you categorize the Trinity as monotheism.

The “personal relationship with Jesus/Christ” concept is a very modern concept that seeped into the Church from Protestant faiths, mostly American Evangelicalism.

Not really. I would think that would be such a huge event that forgetting to write about it would be madness. You had a cataclysmic disaster and a voice came out of heaven talking about it. Then the dead walked and taught many people. Yeah, that would be important. The most miraculous event of all those three and it wasn’t limited. It happened to “many”. I mean the cynical take is that the writer forgot about this prophecy earlier in the text and now they are filling a plot hole. Also seems like the whole idea was just copied from Matthew.