Tacenda

We love to watch American Idol and I think this is one of the best ones this year, but my husband and I say that every year. Some on social media are saying it's rigged and he shouldn't have won. But I see him doing well. And his personality is awesome.

I just keep thinking Papa will pop back up to being well always, hoping so.

Probably a typo, rodheadlee is a guy.

I've not done it, but it intrigued me enough to google how and it seems fairly simple. I know I'm a big fan of watching youtube and subscribing to different people's stuff. Rodheadlee, you should do this, and you can make money on the side when gaining followers, I watch a lot of van campers and their rigs, I bet people would love to see your travels and boat too. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPjcLL9jGM

Great advice rpn!

Thankfully our church hasn't done this except for some members that killed in the MMM in the name of religion. Here's an article by someone that was disagreeing with the atheist view of some doing evil in the name of religion and then how he changed his mind on some things. https://edubirdie.com/examples/is-religion-more-evil-than-good/

What is Tree of Souls? Not catching on I guess.

Not saying I understand this quote entirely, but sometimes it's happened. And your post here made me think of it. “Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.” ― Steven Weinberg

This article has a wealth of information about the use of seer stones and is pretty entertaining too! http://thiscountsashometeaching.blogspot.com/2017/06/a-big-huge-list-of-tons-of-people-who.html C/P'd here: Strange thing to throw out there, right? And it doesn’t sit well with most Biblical scholars (https://www.gotquestions.org/Joseph-divination.html, https://answersfromthebook.org/2010/11/01/did-joseph-use-a-cup-for-divination/, http://baptistbulletin.org/the-baptist-bulletin-magazine/joseph-practiced-divination/). Remember the topic of this post isn’t divination – it’s divination through seer stones. We’ve talked of the legend of the tsohar being passed down from prophet to prophet. The lore includes Joseph of Egypt as one of those prophets. The story is that Jacob gave Joseph the stone but didn’t tell him what it was. It started to glow in the pit his brothers threw him into, showing joseph that this necklace was much more than a rock. Then this: “When Joseph was imprisoned in the dungeon, he discovered that if he placed the Tzohar inside his cup and peered into it, he could read the future and interpret dreams. That is how he interpreted the dreams of the butler and baker, and later the dreams of Pharaoh that prophesied the seven years of famine. It was that same cup that Joseph hid in the saddlebags of Benjamin, about which his servant said , “It is the very one from which my master drinks and which he uses for divination.”” (Tree of Souls the Mythology of Judaism P. 86 by Howard Schwartz) An interesting thought here. Joseph Smith used a seer stone to help translate the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon contains a bit about Joseph of Egypt Prophesying about Joseph Smith. Here’s an excerpt from 2 Nephi Chapter 3: “15 And his name shall be called after me; and it shall be after the name of his father. And he shall be like unto me; for the thing, which the Lord shall bring forth by his hand, by the power of the Lord shall bring my people unto salvation. “16 Yea, thus prophesied Joseph: I am sure of this thing, even as I am sure of the promise of Moses; for the Lord hath said unto me, I will preserve thy seed forever.” Now this part. A man named Lorenzo Brown records the prophet Joseph Smith as saying this: "After I got through translating the Book of Mormon, I took up the Bible to read with the Urim and Thummim. I read the first chapter of Genesis and I saw the things as they were done. I turned over the next and the next, and the whole passed before me like a grand panorama; and so on chapter after chapter until I read the whole of it. I saw it all!" (http://scottwoodward.org/bookofmormon_translationprocess_debunkingmyths.html) “Saw it all” was how he ended that statement. If Joseph Smith was staring at a stone in a hat and watching Joseph of Egypt, and Joseph of Egypt was staring at a stone in a cup watching Joseph Smith, do you think they each saw the other? Think their lines of vision crossed paths? Could they each have seen themselves being seen by the other? Perplexing. Mind Boggling. Awesome. The wrap up! There are a lot of repeating patterns up there. One of which is the need for darkness to better see the stones. The four examples that really pop off the page are: · Joseph Smith “placed his face in his hat” while he was “intently gazing [into] darkness” · Harriet Maria Carter Thomas “had it up to [her] eye, with both hands cupped around it, so that no light could get in · Grandpa Tyson “would completely cover the box and his head and shoulders with a large piece of black velvet as he sat on a chair before the table peering through the darkness at the crystal.” · Joseph of Egypt, according to the legend, would [place] the Tzohar inside his cup and [peer] into it. The bottom line is that although we really don’t hear about people using seer stones in today’s day and age, there is a rich and long history of people doing exactly what Joseph Smith claimed to do: staring through darkness at an informative glowing stone. Check the ground every now and again. If you find one I call dibs. Thanks for reading. Schedule all leg rubs, should you now need one, in the comments. I feel like I owe you if you read all this. You should know my massage technique is quick uncoordinated blows with my elbows.

How do you know if Sara is anti? She might just be going through the first stages of faith crisis, an angry phase, like when you can't trust something that you've held dear for a very long time.

Yes, but no worries, maybe you said it the correct way. And thanks for the video and going to the trouble!

Thank you @Dario_M, this is an amazing world that we can speak with people from all over the world on the board, and with technology see videos too! And BTW, in my mind Tacenda is spoken with a soft "c" sound, or "s" sound. And funnily I don't remember how I came up with it but it resonates because at the time, 2012 when I joined the board, I went through my faith crisis and was very silent about it and that's what it means. From Latin tacenda, future passive participle of taceo (“I am silent”). Thanks again for the trouble to make sure no one thinks your a troll. I think Henry was the only one who did and now I believe he's been tacended!! haha!

Well, what would the Lord say to a church that has this amount of money and the out put to love and care for their neighbor is extremely low, monetarily wise? I happen to not give much to what the bible says about tithing, honestly. I think the Lord is more concerned with feeding and caring for the poor and needy, not giving to a church that has not done what it purports for the members to do. It should match the tithing that it brings in at least. And give more to humanitarian needs.

Boy was I way off!

Just wanted to mention in case some think it came from me, the quote below is from David's mother. "How can a loving God be so exclusive? I did not teach my children their whole lives to serve and love a God who is not accepting of them. God is love!"

Wow, surprised I had a memory that was actually right, lol. Glad you got some sun, but not glad you got a burn. If this was you dear lady.

That was the very first anti Mormon book I'd ever seen, "Mormonism, Mama and Me". I was at the library and picked up the book, I swear it was pink or something, and I read the first few pages and once I'd read something not normal, it took me to having an out of body experience feeling and I slapped that thing shut and quickly put it on the shelf, haha, sounds like the "shelf" metaphor.

Somewhere I listened to a podcast that had a tax guy or accountant say that it was one of the biggest fines for tax violations ever, which really surprised me.

I'm sorry, I thought in the 60 minute episode it was said that nothing came out of the Ensign Peak account. I'll go back and look. Just found the comment from Nielsen saying, "Well, once the money went in, it didn't go out".

But I have to say, often the church does give credit to the members donating. Or I'd be pretty po'd if they didn't, because that's lame. And it's uncanny how much money the church earns on interest or ?. I think I heard in 3 or 4 months it was a little over 1 billion or something. Maybe that's a stock increase. Now I wish I had the quote. Or I may be wrong. It's like the more money you have in savings or invested, the larger the increase. Maybe where the saying goes, the rich get richer. So the Ensign Peak account is terrible in that nothing goes out, that should definitely be illegal for it to be tax exempt.

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When I learned that Joseph had many wives in my forties, that led me down the rabbit hole. I had many on this board think it was crazy that I didn't know that, but I know that many members hadn't either. Now with the age of the internet the church needed to be more upfront with the church's actual narrative and proceeded to release the Gospel Topic Essays and The Saints books.