What is the rationale between tithe payment?

[Throwawaytestthing1]

Hello, I am neither a Mormon nor affiliated with any groups that sympathise or support the church. However I have been having a discussion with a friend about groups of people who support organisations seemingly at no recompense or material benefit to themselves, such as the petit bourgeois supporters of trump and his technocrat associates. She has brought up the Mormon church and their tithing. I don't know much about Mormonism, but I thought it would be interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth, as it is likewise interesting to hear the reasoning of other groups, hence why I am here to ask a forum of Mormons the benefits of tithing the church.

I am not here to attempt to convince any of you to think a different way, and I will likewise not respond to attempts to debate me. Thank you for your time

[MustardSeed]

Benefits are many to belong to this group.  To any group.  Tithing is my way of magnifying my gratitude. 

yesterday I gave an extra tip to a waiter because I was grateful. I don’t receive any added benefits from the extra tip.  But giving extra magnified my gratitude in my own heart.

[bluebell]

3 hours ago, Throwawaytestthing1 said:

Hello, I am neither a Mormon nor affiliated with any groups that sympathise or support the church. However I have been having a discussion with a friend about groups of people who support organisations seemingly at no recompense or material benefit to themselves, such as the petit bourgeois supporters of trump and his technocrat associates. She has brought up the Mormon church and their tithing. I don't know much about Mormonism, but I thought it would be interesting to hear it from the horse's mouth, as it is likewise interesting to hear the reasoning of other groups, hence why I am here to ask a forum of Mormons the benefits of tithing the church.

I am not here to attempt to convince any of you to think a different way, and I will likewise not respond to attempts to debate me. Thank you for your time

There are probably a few different reasons, some sincere and some insincere, depending on who you ask.

First, latter-day saints (like many other Christians) believe that all we have comes from God, and though we believe that He asks us for 10% back as part of our covenant relationship with Him, we believe that He blesses us even more for that 10% we are willing to give in faith.  So some pay tithing as a way to show gratitude to God and some pay tithing because they sincerely believe (and many times have personally experienced) the blessings that come when they do and some pay for a combination of those reasons.  There are probably some who pay solely because they don't want God to be mad at them and for no other reason.

We do believe that it is a commandment and not only a nice or extra thing to do, so we tend to tithe more in general than other Christians who don't believe God has commanded that they pay tithing.

Second, many latter-day saints who pay tithing would still pay it even if it was dumped in the ground and buried, out of a desire to love God and follow Him, but there is a practical reason for paying tithing as well.  Tithing pays for our church buildings, our temples, the utilities, the church programs, etc.  Almost everything that we enjoy as part of this community is paid for by tithing.  Many don't find it unreasonable to be asked by God to contribute to the community that provides so much back to us.

Third, some pay for insincere reasons.  They pay because they feel like they have to in order to keep up the appearance of a believing member, or because their spouse wants to pay tithing so they go along, or because they have a family member getting married in the temple in a couple of months and they want to be there so they pay tithing for those months so they can convince the Bishop that they are worthy to go (those are the ones that usually instantly stop paying after the event is over and they don't have to pretend anymore).

[MustardSeed]

1 hour ago, Potter said:

Well, I'm not a Mormon, so my two cents might not be worth much, but it seems that depending on your Christian congregation, tithing could be seen as a heavenly ticket.

However, I'd wager that a whopping 98% of Christian churches don’t exactly roll out the red carpet for tithers as a prerequisite for the pearly gates.

It seems that tithing is a must do in the world of Mormonism if you fancy the idea of hanging out with the big guy upstairs after this life.

That being said, it's just one of the many commandments that Mormons have on their heavenly checklist, but I don't think it's exactly call it the top priority. I'm sure love one another and other more meaningful commandments or priority over tithing.

I don’t get the impression you’re a fan.  Are you here as you originally stated to learn more? It seems like you believe you know quite a bit.  

[bluebell]

26 minutes ago, Potter said:

Are you categorizing Mormonisms as a prosperity gospel?

I did not say that the blessings were promised to be of material wealth, which is the definition of a prosperity gospel.  So no I'm not.

For reference, the belief that paying tithing brings blessings comes from the Old Testament in Malachi 3: 10-12.

10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the Lord of hosts.

12 And all nations shall call you blessed: for ye shall be a delightsome land, saith the Lord of hosts.

Edited February 4 by bluebell

[MustardSeed]

45 minutes ago, Potter said:

I'm trying to learn. I found a knew tool a few days ago called LDS AI and it's become very handy. 

I’m getting the impression particularly from this thread that you are less interested really in who we are as people and more interested in proving that we are wrong, or at least making us look bad. That doesn’t feel very good, to be honest. 
It seems strange to me that a stranger would ask why we as members of the church tithe and that you would come in and answer the question for us in a way that makes us look foolish.

[MustardSeed]

45 minutes ago, Potter said:

Why do so many folks on this forum have such delicate sensibilities that I end up getting grilled about my own sensitivity when I post?

The Mormons I encounter in person usually have a pretty thick skin. If you're going to challenge my sincerity, kindly point out where I attempted to make Mormons appear foolish?

This is becoming ridiculous!

I’m not going to go line by line to prove my point.  If I’m wrong about your intent here, I’m ready to get to know you better and be more trusting.  

[Throwawaytestthing1]

2 hours ago, bluebell said:

There are probably a few different reasons, some sincere and some insincere, depending on who you ask.

First, latter-day saints (like many other Christians) believe that all we have comes from God, and though we believe that He asks us for 10% back as part of our covenant relationship with Him, we believe that He blesses us even more for that 10% we are willing to give in faith.  So some pay tithing as a way to show gratitude to God and some pay tithing because they sincerely believe (and many times have personally experienced) the blessings that come when they do and some pay for a combination of those reasons.  There are probably some who pay solely because they don't want God to be mad at them and for no other reason.

We do believe that it is a commandment and not only a nice or extra thing to do, so we tend to tithe more in general than other Christians who don't believe God has commanded that they pay tithing.

Second, many latter-day saints who pay tithing would still pay it even if it was dumped in the ground and buried, out of a desire to love God and follow Him, but there is a practical reason for paying tithing as well.  Tithing pays for our church buildings, our temples, the utilities, the church programs, etc.  Almost everything that we enjoy as part of this community is paid for by tithing.  Many don't find it unreasonable to be asked by God to contribute to the community that provides so much back to us.

Third, some pay for insincere reasons.  They pay because they feel like they have to in order to keep up the appearance of a believing member, or because their spouse wants to pay tithing so they go along, or because they have a family member getting married in the temple in a couple of months and they want to be there so they pay tithing for those months so they can convince the Bishop that they are worthy to go (those are the ones that usually instantly stop paying after the event is over and they don't have to pretend anymore).

Thank you for your response, this is very well explained

[Calm]

12 minutes ago, Potter said:

So, I casually mention that in certain circles of Christianity, tithing is treated like a golden ticket to heaven, much like in Mormonism. 

Mormonism is a part of Christianity or don’t you believe that?  And if not, why not?

[Calm]

2 hours ago, Potter said:

Oh well, who cares? If you're keen on belittling me and doubting my sincerity, I'll just chalk you up as my no go-to expert for unraveling the mysteries of Mormonism. In every crowd, there are always a select few who could use a little less attention.

Playing the victim after getting challenged on game playing is not evidence of sincerity.

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it's just one of the many commandments that Mormons have on their heavenly checklist,

This is a caricature of our faith and our view of progression.  Added:  One indicator of insincerity (sincerity to me when engaging with other faiths means you follow how others describe their faith, not insist your interpretation is privileged over their own).  There is no phrase “heavenly checklist” to be found on our website.  This is more our ideal:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/inspiration/lets-grow-beyond-the-checklist-mentality?lang=eng

We have a mix of critics and believers and neutrals on this board.  It is therefore wise for us to point out who is who when an apparent newcomer appears with sincere questions so those less familiar with our faith can know to be cautious about what they read here because of people’s biases (both pro and against the Restored Church) as we did when you first showed up on our website.

@Throwawaytestthing1, the best place to get info on the Church’s positions is from the Church’s websites of which there are a few (the main one that has tons of resources for members and some that may interest nonmembers, Provident Living for more general temporal concerns, one constructed more towards nonmembers as their audience, FamilySearch which is genealogy focused…likely more I can’t recall).

Here are two links for tithing to start from for the basic idea of the purpose tithing holds for us:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/tithing-study-guide?lang=eng#p_t199z (Main site)

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/comeuntochrist/article/what-is-tithing (Outreach site)

Edited February 4 by Calm

[Calm]

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However I have been having a discussion with a friend about groups of people who support organisations seemingly at no recompense or material benefit to themselves

Benefits I get from paying tithing from my own POV…

First and foremost I feel right with God in this way (meaning I believe I am aligning my will to his Will for me) when I fulfill what is a commandment in my view.  Malachi 3 is not particularly kindly towards those who withhold tithes, equating it with robbing God, so best to pay and do so with a positive view, which for me is because I love God and want to please him.  This helps me in turn feel better about my life in general given there are many more areas where what the right thing to do or even just the best thing out of many good things to do is harder to determine and harder to get myself to do.  Tithing is a nobrainer for me at this point because I have had many examples of why it is a good thing in my life, both in ways it’s helped me and how I have seen it helping others.

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6 “I the Lord do not change. So you, the descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed. 7 Ever since the time of your ancestors you have turned away from my decrees and have not kept them. Return to me, and I will return to you,” says the Lord Almighty.

“But you ask, ‘How are we to return?’

8 “Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me.

“But you ask, ‘How are we robbing you?’

“In tithes and offerings. 9 You are under a curse—your whole nation—because you are robbing me. 10 Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it. 11 I will prevent pests from devouring your crops, and the vines in your fields will not drop their fruit before it is ripe,” says the LordAlmighty. 12 “Then all the nations will call you blessed,for yours will be a delightful land,” says the LordAlmighty.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi 3&version=NIV

Second, I feel right paying tithing because through tithing I am contributing to not only my faith community, but helping to build God’s Kingdom on earth.  The chapels I sit in since I was a child; the teaching programs I learned and learn from; the fun activities my family has gone on through the Church (my son got to go ocean kayaking among many great times through the church run scouting program); the missionary program that brought my Australian mother-in-law’s family into the Church, that took my husband to Paraguay and my son to Utah  ; the extensive family history and genealogy program; the administration of humanitarian aid and welfare programs so that donations to these programs can all go to those in need;  the temple building; humanitarian projects such as clean water, wheelchairs, medical treatment for eyesight, infant care, disaster preparation and disbursements, etc, all exist at least in part because of tithing willingly (hopefully) given by members like myself.   It is very easy to see when I look around me the many benefits I get by paying tithing.  Could I make use of all those things if I didn’t pay tithing?  Sure, I haven’t had a job in a decade and don’t pay tithing because of no income (this may just have changed depending on how we decide to handle my SS income) and get all the same benefits, but I prefer to contribute to what I see as the most worthwhile causes around….so even if I don’t pay tithing on my zero income, I pat my husband on the back when he pays his and we both give a significant fast offerings and to humanitarian aid (plus my husband volunteers a lot) and contribute to the missionary fund in general since this is likely the closest I will ever get to being an actual missionary.

Third are the eternal blessings, but outside of allowing me to attend the temple in the here and now which often points my mind towards eternity and allows me to participate in ordnances that help me prepare and become who I need and want to be (tithing is a small but significant part of required behaviours needed to be able to attend ceremonies in the temple, also required are being honest with your fellows, not being abusive or otherwise inappropriate towards family members, sustaining leaders, having a testimony of the Gospel, etc) I don’t think much of the eternal consequences as it’s not about what I have done in mortality that matters imo, but who I have become.  And I don’t want to wait till the next life to become that person.

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2000/10/the-challenge-to-become?

[Calm]

1 hour ago, Potter said:

Nope, I wouldn't put Mormons in the Christian club.

What’s the appeal of being labeled a Christian? Being labeled a trinitarian Christian has its perks, but let’s not ignore the rather cringe worthy chapters in the history book.

Are you ready to embrace all that delightful baggage that comes with Christianity's past?

My given name is Cris.  It was given to me by my mother as a sign of what she wanted me to become, a follower of Christ.  Being told that the Restored Gospel is not of Christ gets the same sort of reaction from me that I would have if someone denied me the right to my given name because a group of people decided only their people deserved to use it if they wanted it without actually establishing they had any authority to make that kind of call.

And it gets really ridiculous to me when certain groups exclude Catholicism and Orthodox from the Christian community given their numbers (62% currently, likely much higher if you included all Christians anywhere, anywhen, but that is a guess) make them the majority holders, so to speak….

Being Christian to me is not about being part of the human community of Christianity, but being part of Christ’s community.  And that is all (as in everything), imo.

I see no need to pick up baggage that isn’t mine unless Christ is telling me to.  So far I see no indication that being a restorationist Christian has to mean one is a traditional or historic Christian with all that history needing to be explained anymore than I feel the need to pick up all the baggage of the other Chrises/Crises in the world just because I am Cris.

@Potter, You didn’t explain why you didn’t include Saints in your Christianity community.  Would you please do so?

Edited February 4 by Calm

[Pyreaux]

9 hours ago, Potter said:

Nope, I wouldn't put Mormons in the Christian club.

What’s the appeal of being labeled a Christian? Being labeled a trinitarian Christian has its perks, but let’s not ignore the rather cringe worthy chapters in the history book.

Are you ready to embrace all that delightful baggage that comes with Christianity's past?

I thought they were being oversensitive too, but you do say odd things that makes it not clear to readers where you are coming from.

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Latter-days Saints by a standard definition are Christians, almost no matter if we ourselves objected to it, because even mainstream Christians still use it to refer to other Heretical Christians. The Classic Heretics like non-Trinitarian Christians (like Arians), or Judaizer Christians, or Gnostic Christians, are still typically referred to as "Christians" as there were Messianic Jews and Jewish Gnostics. No new Sect in Protestantism gets saddled with the misdeeds of Reformers or Roman Christian history and baggage (except where they rely on it in divine providence arguments), its the main reason that validates their separation.

It's a Totum Pro Parte Fallacy ("the whole for a part"); abusing language where the meaning of something is named after something of which it is only a part of it (or only a limited characteristic, not necessarily representative of the whole).

Like people in the United States trying to define the word "American" to only mean a citizen of the United States, but never other people who live on the American Continents who are also definitely American, no matter if they refused to call themselves that, even if they think US citizens tainted the term.

Edited February 5 by Pyreaux

[Calm]

57 minutes ago, Potter said:

You're being a tad too sensitive, and your perspective on Christianity seems rather limited, almost as if you're peering through a peephole. Many Christian churches have a knack for dishing out something quite like this. It's a "heavenly checklist"

Not really, I am solely talking about my own faith.  I am not evaluating representations of any other faiths but the Restored Gospel.  If other faiths find benefits in presenting discipleship as a checklist, good for them, I approve of anything that helps us become better disciples of Christ.  I let members of other faiths speak for themselves on what does and doesn’t work for them.  I will not speak of Christianity as a whole save to identify it as the community of those who see themselves in some way as disciples of Christ, though they may not describe it that way.

My personal experience is approaching the Restored Gospel as a checklist will only get me and from what I have seen most Saints in my faith (extrapolating from the limited number of Saints I know well enough to draw conclusions about) so far in our discipleship of Christ.  What changes us is not just doing those actions, but developing a purer, more Christlike intent while engaging in those behaviours and many more.

There are a few Christian faiths I know quite a bit about, I had a dear friend who lent me her Catechism for a year or so and that was my nightly bedtime reading and I have spent quite a bit of time on the Vatican site looking for official teachings and policies as well as a couple major Catholic members’ websites.  Others I know less of, mostly because when I wish to talk faith with other believers, they have been uncomfortable answering questions about their own beliefs and instead wish to know more of my own.  Perhaps their experiences in sharing have been too negative and they don’t trust it’s just my curiosity and that I am looking for things to admire and learn from, not to criticize.  I tend to have interest in faiths when I get to know devout members of them, when I see the faith in action so to speak.  I have been blessed with many Catholic friends who were comfortable enough to share their faith with me.  Have had lots of talks with atheists, a few with Muslims, some discussions and wanted many more with Jewish friends.  Have had a scattering of talks  with Jehovah Witnesses, read more.  Have had some discussions with a dear Evangelical friend and had another mainstream Protestant friend I wish I had pushed more when I had the chance.  Outside of Catholicism, I assume my position is ignorance when it comes to doctrinal beliefs and practices.  With Catholicism, I am cautiously optimistic I get the basics.

[Calm]

1 minute ago, Pyreaux said:

Like people in the United States trying to define the word "American" to only mean a citizen of the United States, but never other people who live on the American Continents who are also definitely American.

This was a pet peeve when I discovered this in elementary school.  It seemed so wrong and it only got worse when I discovered we weren’t even the only “United States” on American (as in the hemisphere) soil (Estados Unidos Mexicanos).

[Calm]

15 minutes ago, Potter said:

you're up for it and willing to shed some light on why you see yourself as Christian, let's take our time and tackle this step by step, because it can get a bit confusing.

It’s not that confusing.  I am a Christian because I am a disciple/a follower of Christ.  My Church is a Christian faith because we are attempting to follow the commandments of Christ, to learn from his teachings, to receive the blessings he wishes to give us, including partaking of his Atonement for salvation.

You have still not explain why Saints aren’t Christian in your view.  I don’t intend to invest more time and effort in explaining my position before I understand yours.

What makes one a Christian according to your belief?

Edited February 4 by Calm

[Calm]

5 minutes ago, Potter said:

This screenshot is from LDS AI, and it’s one of the many head scratchers I have about how Mormonism insists it’s part of the Christian club. The version of Christianity my family and I embrace seems to be a bit of a charade, especially if the real Christian gospel was MIA for millennia, is that what Mormons believe?

Which divine tune am I grooving to as a trinitarian Christian?

 

Again, not going to address this until you answer my question on what makes one a Christian.  Why go off on something that may have nothing to do with the issue

[Calm]

11 minutes ago, Potter said:

My church comes from the time period when Mormons believe Christianity was removed from the earth so am I a Christian? I guess I first need to understand what a Christian is?

Of course you are a Christian.

I have already told you who I see as Christian….Someone seeking to be a disciple/follower of Christ.

And lest you think it’s my own idiosyncratic idea…

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For Latter-day Saints, being a Christian means being a disciple of Jesus Christ, loving and worshiping Him above all. It means prizing Christ and centering one’s life on His teachings from the New Testament. It means striving to live the kind of life that Christ commanded, honoring Him in word and deed. This is the meaning of a Christian, and there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints — who pattern their lives after all of these things — belong to Christ’s fold.

From one of our official websites:

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/christianity-following-jesus-in-word-and-deed

Another:

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We believe a Christian is one who is a follower of Jesus. No one of us has the power or right to look into the hearts of men and women and discern the reality of their Christianity or the depths of their commitment to Christ. Faith is a personal matter and is really between that person and God.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/traditional-christianity-latter-day-saints

Edited February 4 by Calm

[bluebell]

42 minutes ago, Potter said:

My church comes from the time period when Mormons believe Christianity was removed from the earth so am I a Christian? I guess I first need to understand what a Christian is?

Yes you are a Christian. 

[manol]

12 hours ago, Potter said:

My church comes from the time period when Mormons believe Christianity was removed from the earth...

My understanding is that the LDS Church does not believe Christianity was "removed from the earth".  Rather, the belief is that the fullness of the Gospel of Jesus Christ was no longer on the earth.  While the terminology used is different, a similar perception at an earlier time resulted in the Protestant Reformation.

So the Protestants are Reformationists, whereas the Latter-day Saints are Restorationists. 

Imo both are Christians. 

 

Edited February 5 by manol

[Pyreaux]

18 hours ago, Potter said:

My church comes from the time period when Mormons believe Christianity was removed from the earth so am I a Christian? I guess I first need to understand what a Christian is?

The elements of Apostasy are understood as a lack of inscripturating oracles to keep the Gospel up to date, a broken Priestly line needed to administer the Gospel ordinances, and/or an incomplete understanding of the Gospel message, as the AI tried to say, the church is just the "fulness" of the Gospel. But every honest believer is a member of the invisible Church of the Lamb.

Apostasy is not saying there are no real faithful Christians who are entitled to salvation from being punished for their sins by their faith in Jesus Christ. Having faith doesn't require a full understanding of the Gospel, nor a priest to actively utilize that early part of the Gospel. Every believer is entitled to promptings of the Spirit, blessings, gifts, miracles and even inspiration.

Where your "checklist" comes in are things that are a part of the Gospel that are beyond salvation, the "rewards in heaven" Jesus said awaits those who do hard things and go the extra mile.

Edit: Sorry if you feel like we ganged up on you to accuse you of things. These are important nuances the internet tends to obscure. In our experiences, one Anti-LDS classic tactic is,

"I want to hurt the LDS movement and scare my Christian peers away from them, to Poison the Well. One way is to start a No True Scotsman campaign, unashamedly assert LDS aren't True Christians even though it defies the dictionary term and the LDS own claim to be. Then when challenged by any person you can justify it with an array of options, but one way is to avoid the subject with a distracting "whataboutism" Red Herring; turn the whole matter around on them. Reframe their own belief in an Apostasy as though it's used to deny everyone else's Christian bone fides, thus claim it's really the LDS who stared it first, so it's fair to treat LDS unfairly, after all, two wrongs make a right, etc."

I trust this is not what you are doing, but it's quite possible to catch some of it by osmosis and not know it.

Edited February 5 by Pyreaux

[Calm]

Please let him answer my question of what he sees is a Christian since we have already answered that question for him from our POV multiple times while he has not responded to multiple requests before continuing the conversation.  If we can come to the table understanding each other’s idea of what being a Christian is, we will waste less time in confusion and having to repeat explanations, etc.

Edited February 4 by Calm

[Calm]

Again you are telling me why Mormons don’t see you as a true Christian, not why Mormons themselves aren’t Christian.

You using LDS AI is useless for answering my question of why you believe we aren’t Christian.

Unless you believe we aren’t Christian solely because of our belief in an apostasy back in the early days of Christianity?

[Calm]

2 minutes ago, Potter said:

I'm a bit puzzled here, you want me to see Mormonism as Christian,

Not in the least. I want you to explain why you don’t see the Restored Gospel as Christian.  That’s all at this point.

Maybe it would help if you look at it as me asking you about a hypothetical new church that just appeared down the street from your house that has Christian in its name that has nothing to do with Latter-day Saints.  You are thinking it might be convenient to attend, but are only interested in even trying it out if it’s truly Christian.  You start by knowing nothing about it save it references Christ somewhere in its name.

What would that faith have to include and exclude in your requirement to identify it as Christian?

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[Calm]

16 minutes ago, Potter said:

I'm trying to establish what a Christian is according to mormonism.

I asked first.  Why is it a problem with you answering a question you are now requiring me to answer?

However, if it will help you address my question…

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For Latter-day Saints, being a Christian means being a disciple of Jesus Christ, loving and worshiping Him above all. It means prizing Christ and centering one’s life on His teachings from the New Testament. It means striving to live the kind of life that Christ commanded, honoring Him in word and deed. This is the meaning of a Christian, and there is no doubt that Latter-day Saints — who pattern their lives after all of these things — belong to Christ’s fold.

https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/christianity-following-jesus-in-word-and-deed

In case this doesn’t make sense to you, an “apostate Christian” is still a Christian by definition just as a traditional Christian or historical or even heretical Christian is a Christian.  “Apostate” and “traditional” are descriptors of the type of Christianity, just as “blue” in “blue sky” is a description of the sky.

I have no intent on discussing the above more than that until you put up an actual answer to your own definition of Christian.

As far as your use of LDS AI….

if you are looking for authoritative answers, LDS AI is not the way to go as it is not done by the Church and has the usual problems with AI of misuse of sources and making stuff up.

https://ldsbot.com/about

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Because of the nature of how AI works, it's important to know that LDSBot does occasionally make mistakes, and you should not rely on it as an authoritative source of information.

 

Edited February 5 by Calm