Has Modern Revelation stopped?

[bluebell]

9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Why not start there though? So that people could choose their own faith which is a largely modern phenomenon yet seems to be crucial to achieving steps towards eternal progression.

I don't know.  I'm guessing it's because that's not how human civilization evolved.  I don't think we evolve politically a lot different than we do scientifically, with people needing to stand on the shoulders of earlier "discoveries" to get to the next more enlightened level.

The magna carta was signed in 1215 (or somewhere around that time I don't want to look it up) and that is what became the basis for the justice system that we use today.  It was a bad king that lead to the magna carta.

[longview]

9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

I fell on my face too often reaching for that hand to believe that it is reliably there.

You already know this but keep forgetting this fundamental, the ultimate purpose of this stage of creation and the Fall. For experiencing all kinds of oppositions.

9 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Also I don’t buy that God is meting out anything approaching justice in this life.

God dealt justice plenty of times throughout human history. Just NOT in accordance with your expectations and requirements.

Last Friday my wife and I got to see the amazing production of Queen Esther in Branson Missouri. It was hilarious how the wicked Haman's expression quickly changed from eagerness to plot the destruction of Mordecai to realizing he was going to have to lead the public proclamation for honoring Mordecai instead.

Your attitude reeks of ingratitude.

[The Nehor]

7 hours ago, Nofear said:

I can empathize some with your response. Sometimes it seems so very often my prayerful pleadings ask for the wrong thing and are denied. For my part, though, I have not chosen to abandon God instead trying to change my way of thinking and hence the nature of my requests to more closely align with the designs of Providence. I also consider the delay in justice a great mercy. Were it not so, I surely would have been destroyed long ago. I can't expect that mercy of me and not others, no matter how vile they may be. Nevertheless, justice cometh to all in the end if not cleansed by the Atonement.

I have no idea what He wants. Also some times destruction sounds kind of nice.

[The Nehor]

3 hours ago, longview said:

You already know this but keep forgetting this fundamental, the ultimate purpose of this stage of creation and the Fall. For experiencing all kinds of oppositions.

I thought it was supposed to be about accepting the correct doctrine, making covenants, and being exalted. If it is about just facing opposition this planet makes a lot more sense. If it is all a big Kobayashi Maru test to see how we cope with failure that would actually kind of works as a theodicy.

3 hours ago, longview said:

God dealt justice plenty of times throughout human history. Just NOT in accordance with your expectations and requirements.

Yeah, any time it doesn’t make sense we are told God is doing it in some weird roundabout delayed way.

3 hours ago, longview said:

Last Friday my wife and I got to see the amazing production of Queen Esther in Branson Missouri. It was hilarious how the wicked Haman's expression quickly changed from eagerness to plot the destruction of Mordecai to realizing he was going to have to lead the public proclamation for honoring Mordecai instead.

Yet we get almost absurdly simplistic morality tales like the Book of Esther in our canon suggesting God’s actions are run on a simple and understandable cause and effect system.

3 hours ago, longview said:

Your attitude reeks of ingratitude.

“The dog is ungrateful. When you kick the dog it bites.”

[manol]

On 9/18/2024 at 3:13 PM, The Nehor said:

If it is all a big Kobayashi Maru test to see how we cope with failure that would actually kind of work as a theodicy.

I think there is something to this theory.

The following is inspired more by near-death experience accounts than by scriptural teachings, but it seems to me plausible enough to be worth posting:

Imagine we were in a place where nobody was ever wronged so there was never anything to forgive. And imagine that, for whatever reason, we wanted to not only learn about but to actually master forgiveness. Perhaps we studied forgiveness in a class and, from the perspective of our free-from-opposition environment, it seemed that forgiving one another, and forgiving ourselves, would theoretically be a piece of cake. But we had never actually been in a situation where we needed to forgive what was done to us, or what was done to someone else, or what we had done to someone else, or what we had done to ourselves.

And there just so happened to be this Telestial world under construction that would make a really, really good laboratory. So... here we are.

I'm not saying this is the explanation for everything, but learning forgiveness (and whatever else) first-hand might be part of a path of progression that for whatever reason seemed extremely valuable to us from our pre-mortal perspective.

Edited September 21, 2024 by manol