Another study on alcohol

[Tacenda]

On 4/3/2023 at 8:37 PM, katherine the great said:

Sorry but this is simply false. 

Just saw this, I am always wanting to try raw milk for making kefir, and in this it mentions helping with lactose intolerance if true. https://rawfarmusa.com/blog/raw-milk-vs-raw-kefir-whats-the-difference#:~:text=Definitely give raw kefir a,and building a healthy gut.

[Bernard Gui]

2 hours ago, Teancum said:

Just to be clear I am not advocating at all for alcohol. It is bad for us. Really bad. It is like poison.  Even in moderate amounts. But society accepts it.  And even in more than moderate amounts.  But become alcoholic, will then you are an addict that society likes to shame.  But we do not shame sugar addicts, which far out number alcoholics. And again, for sugar it is not just sugar on your cereal, or in you cakes and pies and donuts, though it is there. It is sugar/carbs in your bread, pasta, crackers, potato chips, yogurt and on and on. as a hobby athlete/cyclist I am really honed in to what i put into my mouth and how it impacts my health.  And it is tough to understand what is best because nutrition studies are controversial and often funded b big food companies.  

 

What is a sugar addict? 
 

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What are common behavioral signs of addiction?

Substance use disorder is marked by a pattern of pathological behaviors related to use of the substance. As listed in the DSM, they include:

• Being unable to stop taking a substance, even when wanting to cut down or regulate use or having tried several times

• Worrying about the next dose or getting a consistent supply of the substance

• Experiencing intense cravings at any time, but especially in places where the drug was once obtained or used

• Devoting considerable time to getting, taking, or recovering from drug

• Neglecting roles and responsibilities such as work, school or home obligations

• Experiencing interpersonal problems as a result of substance use

• Changing social patterns, withdrawing from family, friends and activities in order to use a substance

• Facing risky situations to become intoxicated or maintain a supply of drug

• Using a substance despite knowing it causes physical or psychological harm to oneself

• Developing tolerance, requiring more drug to get an effect; a common but not invariable feature of addiction, sometimes called adaptation

• Developing the unpleasant physiologic symptoms of withdrawal—shakiness, sweating, queasiness or vomiting, headache—when unable to take the substance. Withdrawal is a highly variable sign of addiction; it occurs with use of some drugs (alcohol, for example) but not others (cocaine); however, it often drives continuing use. Withdrawal can require medical treatment when a person abruptly stops heavy substance use.

Along with the diagnostic signposts of addiction, those addicted typically display a number of other behavioral characteristics:

• Secretiveness about activities and relationships as well as private space, to conceal drug use

• Sudden changes in activity patterns, refusing participation in activities once enjoyed

• Lying about whereabouts, absences, consumption habits; making excuses for unusual behavior

• Loss of energy or motivation

• Neglect of appearance

• Stealing to support drug purchases.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/addiction/signs-and-symptoms-addiction

When we were working in the LDS addiction recovery program, we often met folks who said they were addicted to chocolate. No, they weren’t. 

Edited April 5, 2023 by Bernard Gui

[MustardSeed]

39 minutes ago, Bernard Gui said:

What is a sugar addict? 
 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/addiction/signs-and-symptoms-addiction

When we were working in the LDS addiction recovery program, we often met folks who said they were addicted to chocolate. No, they weren’t. 

It sounds like you believe the word addiction is over used. I would agree,  Along with other labels like narcissist, ocd and gaslight. It ends up watering down true phenomena IMO

[Calm]

19 hours ago, Hamilton Porter said:

Sugars not just as bad as alcohol. It's as bad as cigarettes.

I think it depends on what is being measured.  When was the last time drinking too many sodas cause a traffic fatality?

You may kill yourself with your sugar intake, but you are unlikely to kill someone else.  Not so with alcohol.  Over 10,000 killed yearly.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

Secondhand smoke is an issue as well.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects/secondhand-smoke

I am on a no sugar (except rare occasions) diet and feel tons better and being we are paying for low quality food because producers stuff sugar and salt instead of quality and flavour into so much prepared food, so not making excuses for sugar here.  I just find comparisons more distracting than helpful at times.  Something shouldn’t need to be shown to be the “worse” to be taken seriously.

[MustardSeed]

3 minutes ago, Calm said:

I think it depends on what is being measured.  When was the last time drinking too many sodas cause a traffic fatality?

You may kill yourself with your sugar intake, but you are unlikely to kill someone else.  Not so with alcohol.  Over 10,000 killed yearly.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

Secondhand smoke is an issue as well.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects/secondhand-smoke

I am on a no sugar (except rare occasions) diet and feel tons better and being we are paying for low quality food because producers stuff sugar and salt instead of quality and flavour into so much prepared food, so not making excuses for sugar here.  I just find comparisons more distracting than helpful at times.  Something shouldn’t need to be shown to be the “worse” to be taken seriously.

Sugar also doesn’t smell and repell like cigarettes do.  I just ran into a very, very very old friend over the weekend and my nose may have been sensitive because I had an upset stomach but I had to cut the conversation short. Her relationship with cigarettes short circuited our relationship with each other I’m afraid.

Edited April 5, 2023 by MustardSeed
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[Calm]

2 hours ago, Tacenda said:

Just saw this, I am always wanting to try raw milk for making kefir, and in this it mentions helping with lactose intolerance if true. https://rawfarmusa.com/blog/raw-milk-vs-raw-kefir-whats-the-difference#:~:text=Definitely give raw kefir a,and building a healthy gut.

The raw milk part isn’t true, but the kefir part is as the added bacteria that ferment the milk produce lactase.

https://academic.oup.com/ajcn/article/99/5/1251S/4577509

[Calm]

9 minutes ago, MustardSeed said:

Sugar also doesn’t smell and repell like cigarettes do.  I just ran into a very, very very old friend over the weekend and my nose may have been sensitive because I had an upset stomach but I had to cut the conversation short. Her relationship with cigarettes short circuited our relationship with each other I’m afraid.

I am ultra sensitive to smells, always have been.  I felt so bad in our previous ward because there was a dear older woman whose son smoked and I couldn’t sit by her or even stand and visit with her much in the hall because of it.  So easy for that to get interpreted as a rejection of the person, but telling them you can’t handle how they smell because it makes you sick feels just as bad.  I suppose I could add there were certain women and a man for that matter now I think about it I had to avoid because of their perfume.  Thankfully it seems my ward has got the message to go easy on, maybe even not use perfume these days.

Edited April 5, 2023 by Calm

[Teancum]

2 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

What is a sugar addict? 

Anyone addicted to sugar.

https://www.healthline.com/health/food-nutrition/experts-is-sugar-addictive-drug

 

2 hours ago, Bernard Gui said:

 

 

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/addiction/signs-and-symptoms-addiction

When we were working in the LDS addiction recovery program, we often met folks who said they were addicted to chocolate. No, they weren’t. 

Ok.  I am not an optimist about the LDS addiction recovery program really/  I don't think most whe lead it have the expertise or experience to do so.

[Teancum]

1 hour ago, MustardSeed said:

It sounds like you believe the word addiction is over used. I would agree,  Along with other labels like narcissist, ocd and gaslight. It ends up watering down true phenomena IMO

Great point Really what is an addict? Bernard seen to not like my reference to a sugar addict.  But what is an addict.  We seem to like to label people that over use alcohol, drugs, porn, sex and so on as addicts.  And I think that is because as s society we have determined that such behavior if excessive, is bad.  But hey we all love our cookies, cake, ice cream and sugar drinks.  But that is a ok.  So do people had sugar addiction?  I think most of our society does and the health detriments from it may be worse than other addictive substances.  Latter day Saints love to pat themselves on the back for avoiding alcohol, drugs, tobacco, coffee an tea. Ye they have no problem over eating, chowing down on all sorts of bad foods, being obese and such and dealing with all the health problems that come with that.  I find that nonsensical. If drinking beer or wine will keep you out of the temple so should over consumption of other foods that cause you health issues.

[Calm]

Addiction is not just overuse of a substance.  There needs to be a specific reason for the overuse. 
 

From your link:

”“In medicine we use ‘addiction’ to describe a tragic situation where someone’s brain chemistry has been altered to compel them to repeat a substance or activity despite harmful consequences.”

Edited April 5, 2023 by Calm

[Teancum]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

I think it depends on what is being measured.  When was the last time drinking too many sodas cause a traffic fatality?

You may kill yourself with your sugar intake, but you are unlikely to kill someone else.  Not so with alcohol.  Over 10,000 killed yearly.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/risky-driving/drunk-driving

Secondhand smoke is an issue as well.

https://www.lung.org/quit-smoking/smoking-facts/health-effects/secondhand-smoke

I am on a no sugar (except rare occasions) diet and feel tons better and being we are paying for low quality food because producers stuff sugar and salt instead of quality and flavour into so much prepared food, so not making excuses for sugar here.  I just find comparisons more distracting than helpful at times.  Something shouldn’t need to be shown to be the “worse” to be taken seriously.

Well my comments are based on how what we consume impacts our health>  But yes.  With alcohol and other mind altering drugs there can be deaths caused due to people driving under the influence. And the damage from personal relationships can be greater with these types of things.  Nobody is going to cause a car accident from eating 10 snicker bars. Nor will that inhibit someone from performing their work duties and so on.  But health wise eating all that sugar can be very detrimental in many ways.