Mama Says about Dinosaurs

[Pyreaux]

1 hour ago, Dario_M said:

Yeah... i don't know what to believe about the beginning of the earth. If a member of the church would ask me or i believe in Adam and Eve and that the world has been made in 7 days i would say: "YES!!! I DO I DO." But deep in my heart i would think "🎭" and ask myself how a can lie like that to my other church members. And i would feel guilty offcourse. 

For the rest i do believe in Jesus, God, hell, and heaven. So i am a honest believer though. But do i believe in the fact that the world have been made in 7 days? No unfortunatly i find that hard to believe. But like i said i would lie about that if a member would ask me this question. 

The Bible is a religious text telling us that God made everything as he willed it for his purposes, it is not a scientific text and does not explain how God made everything. Religion explains why and Science explains how. Truth is truth, if religion and science are at odds, then our knowledge in either religion or science is probably insufficient.

[Calm]

Here is a quote from Brigham Young…I don’t have time right now to find that one from Joseph if it is from him (it may be from one of his scribes, WW Phelps, who calculated the age of the earth using a day of God’s is 1000 years to man, another symbolic description in scripture).

This link has more information on the subject if you are interested.  Bottomline is no believer needs to reject science even if we don’t understand how scientific conclusions are to be reconciled with revelation yet.  It is important to remember scripture is often symbolic and not meant to be read literally like a science text.

https://www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Mormonism_and_science#The_Mormon_view_of_the_creation_of_the_earth

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In these respects we differ from the Christian world, for our religion will not clash with or contradict the facts of science in any particular...whether the Lord found the earth empty and void, whether he made it out of nothing or out of the rude elements; or whether he made it in six days or in as many millions of years, is and will remain a matter of speculation in the minds of men unless he give revelation on the subject. If we understood the process of creation there would be no mystery about it, it would be all reasonable and plain, for there is no mystery except to the ignorant.

 

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Pyreaux said:

The Bible is a religious text telling us that God made everything as he willed it for his purposes, it is not a scientific text and does not explain how God made everything. Religion explains why and Science explains how. Truth is truth, if religion and science are at odds, then our knowledge in either religion or science is probably insufficient.

Soo? That means that?? 

[Dario_M]

2 hours ago, Calm said:

 

Joseph Smith himself apparently thought the world was quite old. I will try and find the exact quote and the reason he calculated it that way. 

Really? Joseph Smith also didn,t believe that the world have been made in 7 days? 

[JAHS]

57 minutes ago, Dario_M said:

3 hours ago, Calm said:

Joseph Smith himself apparently thought the world was quite old. I will try and find the exact quote and the reason he calculated it that way. 

Really? Joseph Smith also didn,t believe that the world have been made in 7 days? 

John S. Lewis said:

The antiquity of Earth was a subject of active debate in the early nineteenth century. Some adherents of a conservative interpretation of scripture ignored or sought to explain away the overwhelming evidence from geology. The more liberal scientific interpretations of geological history suggested an age of 100,000 to millions of years for Earth. Almost alone, W. W. Phelps, Joseph Smith’s Book of Abraham scribe, offered a vastly larger perspective. In the Times and Seasons, a letter from Phelps to the Prophet’s brother William states:

That eternity, agreeable to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been going on in this system [Page 76](not the world)3 almost 2555 millions of years; and to know that deists, geologists and others are trying to prove that matter must have existed hundreds of thousands of years:—it almost tempts the flesh to fly to God, or muster faith like Enoch to be translated and see and know as we are seen and known!

Considering that Doctrine and Covenants 77:6 refers to “…this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence,” what led Phelps to speak of Earth as 2,555 million years old? The answer appears to be straightforward. Though 7000 Earth years is in conflict with all physical, chemical, genetic, archaeological, and linguistic evidence, 7000 years of God is not ruled out. The arithmetic is easy. One day of God is 1000 years of man, and therefore in Joseph Smith’s reckoning, a day of God is 365 × 1000 days of man. The 2.555 billion years in question therefore corresponds to 2,555,000,000/365,000 years of God, which is 7000 years of God for each day of Earth’s existence. A more careful calculation, using the true average length of the year including leap years (365.257 days) gives 2,556,799,000 Earth years. Clearly Joseph Smith did not intend the “7000 years” of Earth’s age to refer to Earth years.  The Scale of Creation in Space and Time

[mfbukowski]

9 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Yeah... i don't know what to believe about the beginning of the earth. If a member of the church would ask me or i believe in Adam and Eve and that the world has been made in 7 days i would say: "YES!!! I DO I DO." But deep in my heart i would think "🎭" and ask myself how a can lie like that to my other church members. And i would feel guilty offcourse. 

For the rest i do believe in Jesus, God, hell, and heaven. So i am a honest believer though. But do i believe in the fact that the world have been made in 7 days? No unfortunatly i find that hard to believe. But like i said i would lie about that if a member would ask me this question. 

Don't worry about that, they teach evolution at BYU but members are, of course free to understand it differently. Many members still believe in a 7 day creation 

[Dario_M]

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

Don't worry about that, they teach evolution at BYU but members are, of course free to understand it differently. Many members still believe in a 7 day creation 

Yeah i know. In my church they also believe that the world have been made in 7 days. But i don't. I just can't believe that. 

So.... but you work at BYU? That's cool. 💪

[Dario_M]

11 hours ago, JAHS said:

John S. Lewis said:

The antiquity of Earth was a subject of active debate in the early nineteenth century. Some adherents of a conservative interpretation of scripture ignored or sought to explain away the overwhelming evidence from geology. The more liberal scientific interpretations of geological history suggested an age of 100,000 to millions of years for Earth. Almost alone, W. W. Phelps, Joseph Smith’s Book of Abraham scribe, offered a vastly larger perspective. In the Times and Seasons, a letter from Phelps to the Prophet’s brother William states:

That eternity, agreeable to the records found in the catacombs of Egypt, has been going on in this system [Page 76](not the world)3 almost 2555 millions of years; and to know that deists, geologists and others are trying to prove that matter must have existed hundreds of thousands of years:—it almost tempts the flesh to fly to God, or muster faith like Enoch to be translated and see and know as we are seen and known!

Considering that Doctrine and Covenants 77:6 refers to “…this earth during the seven thousand years of its continuance, or its temporal existence,” what led Phelps to speak of Earth as 2,555 million years old? The answer appears to be straightforward. Though 7000 Earth years is in conflict with all physical, chemical, genetic, archaeological, and linguistic evidence, 7000 years of God is not ruled out. The arithmetic is easy. One day of God is 1000 years of man, and therefore in Joseph Smith’s reckoning, a day of God is 365 × 1000 days of man. The 2.555 billion years in question therefore corresponds to 2,555,000,000/365,000 years of God, which is 7000 years of God for each day of Earth’s existence. A more careful calculation, using the true average length of the year including leap years (365.257 days) gives 2,556,799,000 Earth years. Clearly Joseph Smith did not intend the “7000 years” of Earth’s age to refer to Earth years.  The Scale of Creation in Space and Time

This is really interessting what you are telling me right know. This makes way more sense than what the bible is saying about the 7 days. 

Btw...the place where god is right now (in heaven🌈) in heaven time does'n exist anyway. How whe are understanding the 7 days god is talking about is maybe not equal to what god means.  So are we mistaken that we literually thinking what 7 days means in the bible???? Or in the church???  And assuma that as the real truth? While it is in fact not even true? 

Can it be so that we just have misunderstood the storie about the 7 days. And that it is a lot more complicated then we thought it whas?? what the church is presenthing us????

So manny questions, So less answers. 🎭

Btw....happy sunday everyone. ✝️

Edited January 22, 2023 by Dario_M

[mfbukowski]

7 hours ago, Dario_M said:

Yeah i know. In my church they also believe that the world have been made in 7 days. But i don't. I just can't believe that. 

So.... but you work at BYU? That's cool. 💪

No, I don't work there but it is an LDS university

[JAHS]

5 hours ago, Dario_M said:

This is really interessting what you are telling me right know. This makes way more sense than what the bible is saying about the 7 days. 

Btw...the place where god is right now (in heaven🌈) in heaven time does'n exist anyway. How whe are understanding the 7 days god is talking about is maybe not equal to what god means.  So are we mistaken that we literually thinking what 7 days means in the bible???? Or in the church???  And assuma that as the real truth? While it is in fact not even true? 

Can it be so that we just have misunderstood the storie about the 7 days. And that it is a lot more complicated then we thought it whas?? what the church is presenthing us????

So manny questions, So less answers. 🎭

Btw....happy sunday everyone. ✝️

Most Bible scholars both in and outside of the Church agree that the word "day" in the Bible doesn't always mean 24 hour periods of time but equate to likely long undefined periods of time.

Elder Bruce R Mckonkie said:
"But first, what is a day? It is a specified time period; it is an age, an eon, a division of eternity; it is the time between two identifiable events. And each day, of whatever length, has the duration needed for its purposes. One measuring rod is the time required for a celestial body to turn once on its axis. For instance, Abraham says that according to "the Lord's time" a day is "one thousand years" long. This is "one revolution ... of Kolob," he says, and it is after the Lord's "manner of reckoning." (Abr. 3:4.)
There is no revealed recitation specifying that each of the "six days" involved in the Creation was of the same duration" (SERMONS AND WRITINGS OF BRUCE R. MCCONKIE)

[Dario_M]

3 hours ago, mfbukowski said:

No, I don't work there but it is an LDS university

Ooh okay. I thought you worked there. 🎭

God bless. 🙏

[Dario_M]

1 hour ago, JAHS said:

Most Bible scholars both in and outside of the Church agree that the word "day" in the Bible doesn't always mean 24 hour periods of time but equate to likely long undefined periods of time.

Elder Bruce R Mckonkie said:
"But first, what is a day? It is a specified time period; it is an age, an eon, a division of eternity; it is the time between two identifiable events. And each day, of whatever length, has the duration needed for its purposes. One measuring rod is the time required for a celestial body to turn once on its axis. For instance, Abraham says that according to "the Lord's time" a day is "one thousand years" long. This is "one revolution ... of Kolob," he says, and it is after the Lord's "manner of reckoning." (Abr. 3:4.)
There is no revealed recitation specifying that each of the "six days" involved in the Creation was of the same duration" (SERMONS AND WRITINGS OF BRUCE R. MCCONKIE)

I also believe that. That is allready a lot more believable then the 7 days theory. 

[blarsen]

On 1/19/2023 at 8:09 PM, blarsen said:

There is pretty good evidence that the end of the Pleistocene was precipitated by a large bolide of some type (end of the Younger Dryas; about 11,700 yrs bp), which did constitute a mass extinction event, but about half the 'mega' fauna (> 100 lbs) survived; the really large ones did not.

There is also ongoing research on a large meteor impact event in the South Central Indian Ocean judged to have happened about 5,200 years ago (3,200 BC), which also coincides with about 3 ancient calendars starting about that time, where their texts indicate the calendars started after a great flooding event; and probably coincides to some degree with Usher's time scale, and Noah's flood.  The event created massive erosion on adjacent coast lines suggestive of a very large tsunami.  It would have also sent incredible amounts of water into the atmosphere, which would have to come down, creating flooding perhaps all over the world.

Information I've cited above about a 'meteor' impact in the Indian Ocean causing world-wide flooding, comes from the book Exodus Lost by S. C. Compton.  In an earlier post from me, containing this information, the user:  Navidad, replied saying Compton was some kind of in-law (wife's nieces brother?) to him and that he knew Compton, and said that Compton was researching and writing a new book wholly devoted to this impact event and the flooding it caused.

I hope Navidad sees and responds to this post, and is able to provide an update on Compton's progress in finishing and publishing the book.  I stand by to put my order in for the book, even in its unpublished state.