What’s the endgame?

[Alexi Nakatology]

umm… whoops

 

thanks for posting everyone, I’ll see how many replies I can get to today 

[Alexi Nakatology]

6 hours ago, Fether said:

It’s going great 😊 

Our 5th Sunday lesson last week was a little bit boring, but as is life.

Been working on overcoming impatience with others and I have made some big strides. The Charity I have for others has grown immensely.

Seen some great blessings and difficult trials that have pushed me to learn knew things.

I’ve decided to more fully live the word of wisdom and take my physical health seriously and I am feeling great 👍 

Thanks for asking!

Hey, you’re welcome 😌

Good to hear, I enjoy working on all of those things too… even the boredom sometimes 

[Alexi Nakatology]

5 hours ago, Hamba Tuhan said:

I'm confused. Something invisible is 'so apparent', but I have no clue what it is you're trying to describe. Care to try again?

Sure, so uhh… this may be beyond my ability to express a bit but I’m not referring to much more than my subjective experience of things

 

I think one way I could put it now is that if I were to return to being a member it would be “officially” less challenging?

 

I’m sorry, I’m confused too 😌

Edited August 5, 2022 by Alexi Nakatology

[Alexi Nakatology]

5 hours ago, teddyaware said:

He’s saying that from his perspective the Church hasn’t become nearly progressive enough, and, as a consequence, it’s losing members due to the fact that it’s not capitulating enough to the progressive demands of the worldly wise who stand in judgement at the windows of the great and spacious building. 

I didn’t mean to offend anyone in multiple. Just kinda checking in with how I feel lately… I wouldn’t complicate it that much more than “I feel” this way or that about how the church seems to me… I could de-emphasize how the church treats everyone in general and still find my sentiment but I haven’t researched any numbers or know of any great and spacious buildings except my apartment complex 😌

[Alexi Nakatology]

4 hours ago, Maestrophil said:

Doesn't it seem like we can't win - if The Church isn't progressive, then we lose ALL the 'woke', intelligent, compassionate ones (sarcasm), and if it's progressive and changes, then it's capitulation is pointed out as merely caving to legal and social pressures and 'why would a God-led church do that? - so it's obviously a church created by men'. Sheesh

I should not have used the word “progressive” it’s very apparent 😂 

 

sorry guys 

[Alexi Nakatology]

4 hours ago, The Nehor said:

And if the church is regressive and holding on to memories of past days instead of reaching new heights and vistas it will never endure the cleansing fires before the Millenium.

Hey there, presentism and mindful thoughts only please 

[Tacenda]

8 hours ago, Alexi Nakatology said:

How is it all unfolding?

 

I stopped going to church in the early 2000’s and it seemed like just after I left things were becoming progressive…

 

But it seems like overnight I’ve realized the church has been invisibly gutting itself… the contrast is so apparent…

What say ye, saints of the one true church?

Do you mean more invisible because it doesn't stand out in the crowd like it's not as peculiar? You and a lot of people had a faith crisis in the early 2000's. Not sure you had one, but I'm guessing it was. Sorry if I peg'd you wrongly. Internet age is tough on religion.

So in two ways it's becoming invisible. I am on a Faith Journey private Facebook group and it's got nearly 8000 members who were/are affiliated with the Latter-day Saints' church. That's just one group, that's a lot of people that is struggling with staying active in the church, or are active but hide that they struggle in belief.

 

 

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, CV75 said:

The Book of Mormon perfectly describes how it would be, and hence is, unfolding.

Thank you 😌

[The Nehor]

2 minutes ago, Alexi Nakatology said:

Hey there, presentism and mindful thoughts only please 

What does that even mean?

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, jkwilliams said:

I'd say we were both right and wrong.

A lot to digest here, thank you for your thoughts 😌

[The Nehor]

50 minutes ago, mbh26 said:

Teddy didn't say any of that.  You read that into his statement yourself.  We disagree on a lot Nehor, but as fellow believers I still think there is plenty of room for us to be able to build each other up and strengthen the faith of one another instead of nitpicking at what are actually small differences between us compared to the atheists and moral relativists.  

Perhaps if the comment is taken in isolation but his relish of being proved right when Daddy/God comes home has been demonstratively proven to me over time.

To be fair though I am a filthy perverted degenerate so I might be biased.

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

Things are going good in my perspective.

Perhaps is it no as much as the church has changed over the years that you have changed and your orientation of how you perceive things is different.

That’s what I need to hear 😌

Sincerely, thank you and sorry I used the word progressive 😌

 

kinda interested in your thoughts about the prophetic decline of spiritual customs within the church… I didn’t catch that in Sunday school

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, Teancum said:

How do you define "gutting itself?" 

That’s a personal term but there’s a vague sense I have of a spiritual corner the church seems to be kinda drifting in to from what I remember it to be growing up, could be the internet, could be just the recycle of ideas and a sort of natural selection of what should or shouldn’t be talked about

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, teddyaware said:

So true… No matter what happens, the worst motives will always be imputed. But all the smirking and supercilious looks of superiority will vanish when the great and spacious building collapses under the weight of its pride and corruption.

36 And it came to pass that I saw and bear record, that the great and spacious building was the pride of the world; and it fell, and the fall thereof was exceedingly great. And the angel of the Lord spake unto me again, saying: Thus shall be the destruction of all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, that shall fight against the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (1 Nephi 11)

I thought a great fall and destruction of all people in first Nephi was a little forward but then I remembered this must be Lehi’s dream

 

Thank you for sharing 😌

[Alexi Nakatology]

12 minutes ago, The Nehor said:

What does that even mean?

Uhh… sorry I thought you’d find it kinda funny, always learning your sense of humor 🤷‍♂️ 

[Alexi Nakatology]

16 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Do you mean more invisible because it doesn't stand out in the crowd like it's not as peculiar? You and a lot of people had a faith crisis in the early 2000's. Not sure you had one, but I'm guessing it was. Sorry if I peg'd you wrongly. Internet age is tough on religion.

So in two ways it's becoming invisible. I am on a Faith Journey private Facebook group and it's got nearly 8000 members who were/are affiliated with the Latter-day Saints' church. That's just one group, that's a lot of people that is struggling with staying active in the church, or are active but hide that they struggle in belief.

 

 

Wouldn’t say I had a faith crisis, I’d say faith never clicked until much after I left 

 

and yes, I don’t feel so alone when I factor in the internet, it is a journey 😌

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, The Nehor said:

 

What’s the pace of this show compared to the contemporary Star Trek? Always been sort of interested

[Alexi Nakatology]

3 hours ago, carbon dioxide said:

People tend to think of themselves a rocks and the something else is changing.  Maybe that is true but it could be that they are the ones that have changed.  If I look at a long road from just 20 feet from that road and change my positioning to a mile away and a 1000 feet up a hill, I might think the road has changed because it looks different.  The road is still the same.  What is changed is that I have moved to a different position and my perspective is different.  The strait and narrow path looks a lot different from those who are holding to the iron rod while on that path than those who are afar off in the spacious building.

Oh jeez, how I wish I could feel like a rock 😂 

but seriously, thank you for the wise words, it goes a long way 

[Alexi Nakatology]

2 hours ago, teddyaware said:

Yes. Because I had the unfortunate experience of having to deal regularly with someone who has a bonafide case of Narcissistic Personality Disorder, I’ve developed an extreme distaste for the proud and haughty looks of those delusional people think they’re superior to everyone else.

🤔 I picked that up too somehow but it doesn’t always work 

[Alexi Nakatology]

2 hours ago, The Nehor said:

Things are going good? Huh……

Here, you need this more than I do:

Just had to stop myself from posting a bunch of millennial TikTok’s about zoomers, the displacement of generational slang is getting much much worse 😂 

[Maestrophil]

42 minutes ago, Alexi Nakatology said:

I should not have used the word “progressive” it’s very apparent 😂 

 

sorry guys 

Ha!  I'm not offended at all, and I liked your sentiment.  I am happy to feel the church can feel more welcoming to those who might have left due to a perceived or real alienation of themselves or others.  I actually find that a softening or attitudes and judgement towards others in church culture (call is progressive, if you will) is actually much more in line with the church that was restored by Joseph and carried on by BY - there are oodles of statements from them that border on universality and acceptance, while still proclaiming the importance of the restored gospel.

[Alexi Nakatology]

8 minutes ago, Maestrophil said:

Ha!  I'm not offended at all, and I liked your sentiment.  I am happy to feel the church can feel more welcoming to those who might have left due to a perceived or real alienation of themselves or others.  I actually find that a softening or attitudes and judgement towards others in church culture (call is progressive, if you will) is actually much more in line with the church that was restored by Joseph and carried on by BY - there are oodles of statements from them that border on universality and acceptance, while still proclaiming the importance of the restored gospel.

Why thank you 😌 and yeah I hear ya, although there is a factor of too little too late… I do miss Mr Hinckley’s Neighborhood sometimes 

 

I’m just a bundle of contradictions lately so I’ve let go of a lot of the stress of trying to hold myself above the church and it’s helped with my general sense of alienation 😌

 

 

[teddyaware]

2 hours ago, jkwilliams said:

I always thought it was supposed to be the folks in the great and spacious building who acted superior to others. Maybe I was wrong.

I’m guessing you think this is a clever example of sardonic humor? 

[Alexi Nakatology]

Didn’t mean to start any squabbles 😬

[Alexi Nakatology]

Just realized maybe someone can move this thread to the social hall 😌