Orthodox Christian Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 What happens to compassion? I have often wondered, especially when reflecting on war in general but the treatment of Jews and others by the Nazis. How could they watch innocent people be murdered, mother's babies, children, the elderly and infirm. What happens to compassion? I mean, I assume that soldiers, guard etc have loved ones, and people who love them, so why can't they empathise? What does war do to people? Where does their decency go? I just can't fathom it.
poptart Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, Orthodox Christian said: What happens to compassion? I have often wondered, especially when reflecting on war in general but the treatment of Jews and others by the Nazis. How could they watch innocent people be murdered, mother's babies, children, the elderly and infirm. What happens to compassion? I mean, I assume that soldiers, guard etc have loved ones, and people who love them, so why can't they empathise? What does war do to people? Where does their decency go? I just can't fathom it. Why is it privileged people in places turn a blind eye to the historical wrongs that have been done to them, hunker down in their suburbs and just coast with the i've got mine attitude till problems show up at their doorstep? My answer? Check your privilege, like Jesus told many of the elites in his day. Way I see it, a lot of this is your own fault, is a little personal responsibility and accountability that difficult? If it is, you've got problems lol. I think I understand where you're coming from, this whole unnecessary mess has really made me despise conservative culture here even more, these are innocent Christians being killed, real Christians not the cult of the allmighty dollar that wraps itself in the flag and the cross. The part of me that does care for these people isn't happy, this is wrong. Hope God is keeping good notes on the privileged slimeballs who claim to care about their kinds take on morality while these poor people flee hell on earth. That part of this you absolutely have my prayers on. Edited March 7, 2022 by poptart
rpn Posted March 7, 2022 Posted March 7, 2022 What do you mean? "Conservative Culture" didn't bring this on. Territorial authoritarian maniac with sycophant followers did. Never mind. We don't do politics here.
Orthodox Christian Posted March 8, 2022 Author Posted March 8, 2022 17 hours ago, poptart said: Why is it privileged people in places turn a blind eye to the historical wrongs that have been done to them, hunker down in their suburbs and just coast with the i've got mine attitude till problems show up at their doorstep? My answer? Check your privilege, like Jesus told many of the elites in his day. Way I see it, a lot of this is your own fault, is a little personal responsibility and accountability that difficult? If it is, you've got problems lol. I think I understand where you're coming from, this whole unnecessary mess has really made me despise conservative culture here even more, these are innocent Christians being killed, real Christians not the cult of the allmighty dollar that wraps itself in the flag and the cross. The part of me that does care for these people isn't happy, this is wrong. Hope God is keeping good notes on the privileged slimeballs who claim to care about their kinds take on morality while these poor people flee hell on earth. That part of this you absolutely have my prayers on. I don't see why you have to use any opportunity to take a side swipe at those who in your opinion are privileged, therefore they deserve any and every I'll that can befall them. The question was, what happens to compassion. How can human beings inflict dreadful hurt on others and not feel any compassion. I wasn't necessarily thinking in terms of haves and have nots, but had more extreme forms of hurt such as we witness in war, or regimes that imprison and torture.
BlueDreams Posted March 8, 2022 Posted March 8, 2022 (edited) On 3/7/2022 at 5:56 AM, Orthodox Christian said: What happens to compassion? I have often wondered, especially when reflecting on war in general but the treatment of Jews and others by the Nazis. How could they watch innocent people be murdered, mother's babies, children, the elderly and infirm. What happens to compassion? I mean, I assume that soldiers, guard etc have loved ones, and people who love them, so why can't they empathise? What does war do to people? Where does their decency go? I just can't fathom it. Compassion usually goes the more other groups are seen as inherently different from you. This increases when what makes them different is viewed as a threat to impeding a better way of life in one way or another. If they are different from your loved ones you can compartmentalize treatment of another as less important or significant than that to your family or close loved ones. This usually isn’t consciously done and each person has a limit in which a difference creates a less compassionate response. this also will go downhill faster when said difference also is seen as a perceived threat. Whether that threat may really cause harm or not. certain peoples, even if they are not directly tied or cognizant of said harm, can then act as representatives of a problem and become flattened images rather than complex humans. We’re also rally bad at gaging and responding appropriately when we are the baddies. Which is part of the reason “horrible” travesties seem unthinkable…we haven’t deeply taken on what our own capacity for negative effects have on others. Once we do it become less unbelievable. People fit patterns and we are in the same patterns. With luv, BD Edited March 8, 2022 by BlueDreams 2
poptart Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) On 3/7/2022 at 2:48 PM, rpn said: What do you mean? "Conservative Culture" didn't bring this on. Territorial authoritarian maniac with sycophant followers did. Never mind. We don't do politics here. Wrong, they did. Your privilege ridden reply is proof of that. I was referring more so to US trinitarian politics, we're seeing more splits due to politics, the reformed church finalized their split this year, mostly over LGBTQ rights. It is absolutely disgusting seeing what some of these people are saying towards fellow trinitarians, it makes me sick seeing people wrap themselves in the cross while turning a blind eye to this, all over their own personal greed and politics. Way to turn the Lords House into a den of thieves. I'm Assuming your LDS, do you even follow things on our end? Have any idea what we've had to put up with for years? Just how ugly things have been? We're now seeing the same nonsesnse we saw in the 60s and 70s when Seminex and the Episcopal split happened, we're seeing the same thing happen, again. Considering how fortunate a lot of these people are it's vile seeing such a privileged class of people act this way. I wasn't even going to go where you did with the politics the mods are nice enough to not allow because of replies like yours. On 3/8/2022 at 4:30 AM, Orthodox Christian said: I don't see why you have to use any opportunity to take a side swipe at those who in your opinion are privileged, therefore they deserve any and every I'll that can befall them. The question was, what happens to compassion. How can human beings inflict dreadful hurt on others and not feel any compassion. I wasn't necessarily thinking in terms of haves and have nots, but had more extreme forms of hurt such as we witness in war, or regimes that imprison and torture. When war starts, compassion goes away fast. BTW, that didn't come out right, sorry. I absolutely feel for the Christians there, this is awful. Hoping for Christian unity to make a comeback, not holding my breath. I decided to try lent this year and so far I am failing. Trying times indeed. How is the UK handling this? Is the Church of England doing anything? On 3/8/2022 at 11:21 AM, BlueDreams said: Compassion usually goes the more other groups are seen as inherently different from you. This increases when what makes them different is viewed as a threat to impeding a better way of life in one way or another. If they are different from your loved ones you can compartmentalize treatment of another as less important or significant than that to your family or close loved ones. This usually isn’t consciously done and each person has a limit in which a difference creates a less compassionate response. this also will go downhill faster when said difference also is seen as a perceived threat. Whether that threat may really cause harm or not. certain peoples, even if they are not directly tied or cognizant of said harm, can then act as representatives of a problem and become flattened images rather than complex humans. We’re also rally bad at gaging and responding appropriately when we are the baddies. Which is part of the reason “horrible” travesties seem unthinkable…we haven’t deeply taken on what our own capacity for negative effects have on others. Once we do it become less unbelievable. People fit patterns and we are in the same patterns. With luv, BD What makes me wonder, if either side is considering consequences in all this. People forget what happened to folks like the nazis after they lost the war, not all of them could flee abroad. A lot of innocent Germans were genocided later, Prussia was all but wiped out (I believe.) I'm not justifying what they did, just saying when one side does something quite awful, if they lose the consequences are usually as bad if not worse than what they did during the period of conflict. Look at the civil war here, the slave owners felt little loss over the confederacy losing, a lot of the freed slaves stayed on for slave tier wages because they had no where else to go. It was the common poor Southerner who lost out, especially during reconstruction and the carpetbaggers moving in to exploit. I feel for all parties involved, especially when I see how Russia has supposedly switched to the Yuan due to sanctions. Whenever I look around I see people on all sides doing very foolish things, their children and grandchildren are going to be the ones who suffer the most for it, as always. People are fools if they think their "side" won't turn on them the moment they can. Peruvian friends dad had a great expression, when hunger knocks at the door love/civility flies out the window. Edited March 9, 2022 by poptart
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 55 minutes ago, poptart said: 55 minutes ago, poptart said: When war starts, compassion goes away fast. BTW, that didn't come out right, sorry. I absolutely feel for the Christians there, this is awful. Hoping for Christian unity to make a comeback, not holding my breath. I am sorry, I decided to try lent this year and so far I am failing. Trying times indeed. How is the UK handling this? Is the Church of England doing anything What do you mean try Lent? You either believe in what Lent is about, otherwise you're just going on a diet. Other traditions have varying degrees of Lent. The Orthodox, if they are devout, become essentially vegan during Lent. It lasts 40 days of actual fast, but the Triodion begins 3 weeks before. This is the preparation time when we start cutting down on things then stop all meat and dairy. So by the time Lent happens our mindset is on abstaining. However, this is a time of repentance , increased prayer, and extra help in our communities, and more Lenten services. That's about it. And we very often slip, not fail, because we are human and it's tough, but spiritually very healing. Edited March 9, 2022 by Orthodox Christian 1
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, poptart said: Wrong, they did. Your privilege ridden reply is proof of that. I was referring more so to US trinitarian politics, we're seeing more splits due to politics, the reformed church finalized their split this year, mostly over LGBTQ rights. It is absolutely disgusting seeing what some of these people are saying towards fellow trinitarians, it makes me sick seeing people wrap themselves in the cross while turning a blind eye to this, all over their own personal greed and politics. Way to turn the Lords House into a den of thieves. I'm Assuming your LDS, do you even follow things on our end? Have any idea what we've had to put up with for years? Just how ugly things have been? We're now seeing the same nonsesnse we saw in the 60s and 70s when Seminex and the Episcopal split happened, we're seeing the same thing happen, again. Considering how fortunate a lot of these people are it's vile seeing such a privileged class of people act this way. I wasn't even going to go where you did with the politics the mods are nice enough to not allow because of replies like yours. When war starts, compassion goes away fast. BTW, that didn't come out right, sorry. I absolutely feel for the Christians there, this is awful. Hoping for Christian unity to make a comeback, not holding my breath. I am sorry, I decided to try lent this year and so far I am failing. Trying times indeed. How is the UK handling this? Is the Church of England doing anything? What makes me wonder, if either side is considering consequences in all this. People forget what happened to folks like the nazis after they lost the war, not all of them could flee abroad. A lot of innocent Germans were genocided later, Prussia was all but wiped out (I believe.) I'm not justifying what they did, just saying when one side does something quite awful, if they lose the consequences are usually as bad if not worse than what they did during the period of conflict. Look at the civil war here, the slave owners felt little loss over the confederacy losing, a lot of the freed slaves stayed on for slave tier wages because they had no where else to go. It was the common poor Southerner who lost out, especially during reconstruction and the carpetbaggers moving in to exploit. I feel for all parties involved, especially when I see how Russia has supposedly switched to the Yuan due to sanctions. Whenever I look around I see people on all sides doing very foolish things, their children and grandchildren are going to be the ones who suffer the most for it, as always. People are fools if they think their "side" won't turn on them the moment they can. Peruvian friends dad had a great expression, when hunger knocks at the door love/civility flies out the window. I understand what you are saying, but we never seem to learn, we never seem to change. Lessons learned never seem to happen and horror is sickeningly repeated.
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 Just now, Orthodox Christian said: I understand what you are saying, but we never seem to learn, we never seem to change. Lessons learned never seem to happen and horror is sickeningly repeated. I think I have quoted the wrong post, this was meant for Blue Dreams
poptart Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 11 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said: What do you mean try Lent? You either believe in what Lent is about, otherwise you're just going on a diet. Other traditions have varying degrees of Lent. The Orthodox, if they are devout, become essentially vegan during Lent. It lasts 40 days of actual fast, but the Triodion begins 3 weeks before. This is the preparation time when we start cutting down on things then stop all meat and dairy. So by the time Lent happens our mindset is on abstaining. However, this is a time of repentance , increased prayer, and extra help in our communities, and more Lenten services. That's about it. And we very often slip, not fail, because we are human and it's tough, but spiritually very healing. Whelp, then I guess I'm going the diet route, it's better than nothing. To be fair, that's where a lot of people are right now, tough times. I believe that's how it was with the early church, the conversion process was never really complete until children who grew up in the church was a thing. I'd imagine the likes of Rollo still had some viking outbursts from time to time. Took three generations of Christian culture for someone like his grandson William to even be possible. Same thing with Christian civilization, it took generations of loving kindness and patience for high Christian culture to take effect. I meant what I said, I am very happy with the Christian response to all this, that's how the church should function. It's things like that which make me want to look into it more, that kind of goodness is so rare anymore.
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 16 minutes ago, poptart said: Whelp, then I guess I'm going the diet route, it's better than nothing. To be fair, that's where a lot of people are right now, tough times. I believe that's how it was with the early church, the conversion process was never really complete until children who grew up in the church was a thing. I'd imagine the likes of Rollo still had some viking outbursts from time to time. Took three generations of Christian culture for someone like his grandson William to even be possible. Same thing with Christian civilization, it took generations of loving kindness and patience for high Christian culture to take effect. I meant what I said, I am very happy with the Christian response to all this, that's how the church should function. It's things like that which make me want to look into it more, that kind of goodness is so rare anymore. We are all clay, we are not perfect by any means, don't look for perfection or you will be disappointed, and that is true for every tradition and creed. Without the spiritual side, getting closer to God, it's not really Lent. And if we continue in our faults but are strict about the food side of it, then we might as well not bother. Lent is supposed to be deeply spiritual. Edited March 9, 2022 by Orthodox Christian 1
poptart Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said: We are all clay, we are not perfect by any means, don't look for perfection or you will be disappointed, and that is true for every tradition and creed. Isn't so much perfection I'm looking for, it's disgust with those who God did bless with good fortune doing as the pharisees did when Christ was crucified. You are so right though, it is true for every religion and creed. What do you mean by believe in what lent is about? One shortcoming of American Christians is not taking some things seriously when we should, I'm absolutely guilty of this. You are right, I do sometimes like to play politics with religion, a habit I've slowly started to see as wrong. You said it a while ago, playing the game. Starting to see how i've gone too far with it. Agreeing with you again, we are all clay. Edited March 9, 2022 by poptart
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, poptart said: Isn't so much perfection I'm looking for, it's disgust with those who God did bless with good fortune doing as the pharisees did when Christ was crucified. You are so right though, it is true for every religion and creed. What do you mean by believe in what lent is about? One shortcoming of American Christians is not taking some things seriously when we should, I'm absolutely guilty of this. You are right, I do sometimes like to play politics with religion, a habit I've slowly started to see as wrong. You said it a while ago, playing the game. Starting to see how i've gone too far with it. Agreeing with you again, we are all clay. You mentioned that you are trying Lent, and that and that you are going the diet route. Lent isn't just a thing in Orthodoxy. It is about denying ourselves, making sacrifices, getting closer to God in anticipation of Pascha, or Easter. Lent is about bright sadness. Bright because we are making a fast pleasing to God. Sadness because of our sinful state before him and Christ's passion. And jubilation at His resurrection. It is much more than giving up chocolate for example, it is giving up passions, sins, being very aware of our failings, praying more, giving more in every way, these next few weeks are about humility and grace. It is far deeper for us than people realise. Oh and by the way, normally we do not discuss our fast with anyone, it is between ourselves and God alone . Neither do we ask about other people's fast in case we fall into judgementalism. I know the conversation has moved on but I am sure we are off topic now. Edited March 9, 2022 by Orthodox Christian 1
poptart Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 44 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said: You mentioned that you are trying Lent, and that and that you are going the diet route. Lent isn't just a thing in Orthodoxy. It is about denying ourselves, making sacrifices, getting closer to God in anticipation of Pascha, or Easter. Lent is about bright sadness. Bright because we are making a fast pleasing to God. Sadness because of our sinful state before him and Christ's passion. And jubilation at His resurrection. It is much more than giving up chocolate for example, it is giving up passions, sins, being very aware of our failings, praying more, giving more in every way, these next few weeks are about humility and grace. It is far deeper for us than people realise. Oh and by the way, normally we do not discuss our fast with anyone, it is between ourselves and God alone . Neither do we ask about other people's fast in case we fall into judgementalism. I know the conversation has moved on but I am sure we are off topic now. Let me rephrase that, I misunderstood you. No, I'm not dieting, I do intermittent fasting anyway, I'm quite health focused so it just complements everything. I'm not in high school anymore, I like being able to run, backpack and enjoy good health. Outside of say special occasions, Holy days (Easter, Christmas etc.) I don't drink anymore. What I am doing, trying my best to not be so indignant at those who normally offend me. People are what they are, they will never change. I really started to appreciate Christianity last year, real Christianity. The world is a broken place as are we. Even if you're privileged there's always something not quite right. One of the nice things you can do, let God handle what you can't and tbh, I am an emotional mess due to the horrible things i;ve had to deal with in life. Advice I heard from a Franciscan here who was a military chaplain, think about Christ and do more outdoorsy things, he's an avid fisherman and outdoors enthusiast. Really, I have no room to complain there, someone who was a military chaplain and a Franciscan priest has seen waaaaaaaaay more than I likely ever will yet here he is, doing Gods work. I believe the sincere do the best they can, as I am now. Really I should be in therapy but life just isn't making it possible right now. Anyway that's where I'm at with lent right now. I agree, we should pray in silent and fast in quiet. I had a hand in derailing your thread, my bad. Let's try to fix that. I'll ask again, is the UK doing anything to help the refugees? What is the Church of England doing? What are the Orthodox doing? I really hope that there is a sizeable response from those bodies, the world needs to see the Church taking care of their own more than ever. As horrible as this is, this is a great opportunity to show the world what Christ's church is about. 1
Orthodox Christian Posted March 9, 2022 Author Posted March 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, poptart said: Let me rephrase that, I misunderstood you. No, I'm not dieting, I do intermittent fasting anyway, I'm quite health focused so it just complements everything. I'm not in high school anymore, I like being able to run, backpack and enjoy good health. Outside of say special occasions, Holy days (Easter, Christmas etc.) I don't drink anymore. What I am doing, trying my best to not be so indignant at those who normally offend me. People are what they are, they will never change. I really started to appreciate Christianity last year, real Christianity. The world is a broken place as are we. Even if you're privileged there's always something not quite right. One of the nice things you can do, let God handle what you can't and tbh, I am an emotional mess due to the horrible things i;ve had to deal with in life. Advice I heard from a Franciscan here who was a military chaplain, think about Christ and do more outdoorsy things, he's an avid fisherman and outdoors enthusiast. Really, I have no room to complain there, someone who was a military chaplain and a Franciscan priest has seen waaaaaaaaay more than I likely ever will yet here he is, doing Gods work. I believe the sincere do the best they can, as I am now. Really I should be in therapy but life just isn't making it possible right now. Anyway that's where I'm at with lent right now. I agree, we should pray in silent and fast in quiet. I had a hand in derailing your thread, my bad. Let's try to fix that. I'll ask again, is the UK doing anything to help the refugees? What is the Church of England doing? What are the Orthodox doing? I really hope that there is a sizeable response from those bodies, the world needs to see the Church taking care of their own more than ever. As horrible as this is, this is a great opportunity to show the world what Christ's church is about. Like the rest of the world massive amount of all kinds of things have been donated, to such an extent that storage is now becoming difficult. Various people are driving to Europe with supplies, some of these are Orthodox, and Russian. The effort is collective, we have been advised to make all of our donations through the British Red Cross by our priest, so the Orthodox,alongside millions of others including Anglicans are doing their bit. Millions of £s have been raised throughout the UK. And of course people are willing to home the refugees. 1
poptart Posted March 9, 2022 Posted March 9, 2022 59 minutes ago, Orthodox Christian said: Like the rest of the world massive amount of all kinds of things have been donated, to such an extent that storage is now becoming difficult. Various people are driving to Europe with supplies, some of these are Orthodox, and Russian. The effort is collective, we have been advised to make all of our donations through the British Red Cross by our priest, so the Orthodox,alongside millions of others including Anglicans are doing their bit. Millions of £s have been raised throughout the UK. And of course people are willing to home the refugees. This is how Christianity should be, thanks for sharing. I have no idea how Christianity will fare here, as a people Americans in general turned their backs on the church around the same time they did their families, who knows what the future will hold. That being said, I've been paying attention, seeing how Christiandom proper has handled this as well as covid has helped me have some faith, there is some good left in the western world. I bet the Order of St. John has done quite a bit, at least I'd hope. Them, the other branches of the Order of Malta and the Order of St. Lazarus are amongst my favorite Christian orders, they do so much good. It's that kind of Christian charity that inspires men to do good, I think anyway. 1
SwedishLDS Posted March 16, 2022 Posted March 16, 2022 On 3/9/2022 at 11:57 PM, poptart said: This is how Christianity should be, thanks for sharing. I have no idea how Christianity will fare here, as a people Americans in general turned their backs on the church around the same time they did their families, who knows what the future will hold. That being said, I've been paying attention, seeing how Christiandom proper has handled this as well as covid has helped me have some faith, there is some good left in the western world. I bet the Order of St. John has done quite a bit, at least I'd hope. Them, the other branches of the Order of Malta and the Order of St. Lazarus are amongst my favorite Christian orders, they do so much good. It's that kind of Christian charity that inspires men to do good, I think anyway. I have seen a lot of coordination on my european side of the Atlantic pond and from the US as well. There has been cars with supplies going down to Poland to help out the Ukranian refugees, lots of money donated, and a lot of supplies given to the red cross and the Salvation army which we usually partner with here. Seen collection boxes. I will attach just one of the stories from our church facebook group for LDS members called SDH. A WASHED SWEDISH SUPER HERO! Yes, there are some, but this guy is something really special He is paralyzed from the chest down after a racial accident during a rescue mission in the Philippines where he was Search a Rescue Paramedic. His name is Niels Ristramparen Erixon and he went with us down to Poland for a further trip to Ukrana to serve as a Paramedic Niels is in a wheelchair and his injuries are serious, but despite severe pain and various hardships, he does not give up and we filled my car with a whole medical rope that he took with him down. A lot of difficulties were encountered during the trip to Lviv accused of espionage, His wheelchair and equipment were on the move for several days and had to spend his savings on hotels when he got stuck in Krakow with severe pain due to moving for a lot and contracted a real inflammation in the back muscles- Yes Niels is one of the most stubborn I have ever met but also a determination and a heart of gold who wants to help people beyond the ordinary he really deserves all the attention and praise for his dedicated work He's a huge example of someone who really rolls the extra mile because he can barely walk ... Since Saturday, when he finally arrived in Lviv, he has been promoted to Captain in Civil Defense and is responsible for the training of 200 officers and 500 cadets. Will also contribute to developing their entire training program for the rescue service, civil defense and ambulance care. on top of this, the Swedish fire station wants to donate equipment via him as well as private actors and companies want grants to the academy. Niels gets food and housing but is almost broke so if you want to contribute a penny, swisha me on 0739129229 and I will forward it to him NIel's paramedic / Ukraine I'm really PROUD to have him as a friend. He is an outstanding example of being served with compassion and care beyond the ordinary. Feel free to spread the word and follow him on his FB page you do not need to send friend request it is enough to follow ... https://www.facebook.com/neil.connor.7334 Jonas Oetterli writes about Niels Imagine that we got to know this man. Completely broken in the body due to injuries he sustained in other disaster relief missions. He got a house over him and was dug out of the landslides after 40 hours, among other things. He is in constant pain and mostly gets around in a wheelchair. Still, he will promptly go down and teach disaster care. He is given the captain's rank of Ukraine and becomes head of their entire disaster preparedness. All this despite its handicap. PS, A curiosity. In Poland, he intervened alone when two drunken disgusting people from the east started attacking Ukrainian shoes and do not you think that this paisher ends up in a fight with the ace to top everything (in a wheelchair and everything) before the police arrest the two other disgusting representatives of homo sapiens
Orthodox Christian Posted March 20, 2022 Author Posted March 20, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 10:18 AM, SwedishLDS said: I have seen a lot of coordination on my european side of the Atlantic pond and from the US as well. There has been cars with supplies going down to Poland to help out the Ukranian refugees, lots of money donated, and a lot of supplies given to the red cross and the Salvation army which we usually partner with here. Seen collection boxes. I will attach just one of the stories from our church facebook group for LDS members called SDH. A WASHED SWEDISH SUPER HERO! Yes, there are some, but this guy is something really special He is paralyzed from the chest down after a racial accident during a rescue mission in the Philippines where he was Search a Rescue Paramedic. His name is Niels Ristramparen Erixon and he went with us down to Poland for a further trip to Ukrana to serve as a Paramedic Niels is in a wheelchair and his injuries are serious, but despite severe pain and various hardships, he does not give up and we filled my car with a whole medical rope that he took with him down. A lot of difficulties were encountered during the trip to Lviv accused of espionage, His wheelchair and equipment were on the move for several days and had to spend his savings on hotels when he got stuck in Krakow with severe pain due to moving for a lot and contracted a real inflammation in the back muscles- Yes Niels is one of the most stubborn I have ever met but also a determination and a heart of gold who wants to help people beyond the ordinary he really deserves all the attention and praise for his dedicated work He's a huge example of someone who really rolls the extra mile because he can barely walk ... Since Saturday, when he finally arrived in Lviv, he has been promoted to Captain in Civil Defense and is responsible for the training of 200 officers and 500 cadets. Will also contribute to developing their entire training program for the rescue service, civil defense and ambulance care. on top of this, the Swedish fire station wants to donate equipment via him as well as private actors and companies want grants to the academy. Niels gets food and housing but is almost broke so if you want to contribute a penny, swisha me on 0739129229 and I will forward it to him NIel's paramedic / Ukraine I'm really PROUD to have him as a friend. He is an outstanding example of being served with compassion and care beyond the ordinary. Feel free to spread the word and follow him on his FB page you do not need to send friend request it is enough to follow ... https://www.facebook.com/neil.connor.7334 Jonas Oetterli writes about Niels Imagine that we got to know this man. Completely broken in the body due to injuries he sustained in other disaster relief missions. He got a house over him and was dug out of the landslides after 40 hours, among other things. He is in constant pain and mostly gets around in a wheelchair. Still, he will promptly go down and teach disaster care. He is given the captain's rank of Ukraine and becomes head of their entire disaster preparedness. All this despite its handicap. PS, A curiosity. In Poland, he intervened alone when two drunken disgusting people from the east started attacking Ukrainian shoes and do not you think that this paisher ends up in a fight with the ace to top everything (in a wheelchair and everything) before the police arrest the two other disgusting representatives of homo sapiens He sounds like an amazing person, God bless him for his efforts.
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