bsjkki Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, SeekingUnderstanding said: Not my goal posts. Just making sure we had the facts straight. T**** was not a victim in this thing. When you come out in favor of illegal things, and then people talk about the consequences of illegal acts - that is a very natural thing. People complaining about how T**** was treated are the biggest snowflakes of all IMNSHO. Everyone should be concerned about how Trump was treated but that is discussion for another time and different venue. And would end up not changing ‘hearts and minds’ so futile overall.
SkyRock Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, SteveO said: You know, before 2016…Obama dropped so many bombs the Airforce actually ran out of them at one point. You are not a good person because you didn’t vote for Trump. It is striking to remember this. Obama dropped 27k bombs on 7 different countries in 2016, often killing women and children and non terrorists at weddings and funerals and such. Even American citizens were targeted and killed in drone strikes in Yemen. And the rich got richer under Obama and 7 million people had their homes stolen through fraudulent foreclosures, while corrupt banks were bailed out. Good leaders improves the lives of the citizens of their country, independent of their own moral life.
Duncan Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, SkyRock said: It is striking to remember this. Obama dropped 27k bombs on 7 different countries in 2016, often killing women and children and non terrorists at weddings and funerals and such. Even American citizens were targeted and killed in drone strikes in Yemen. And the rich got richer under Obama and 7 million people had their homes stolen through fraudulent foreclosures, while corrupt banks were bailed out. Good leaders improves the lives of the citizens of their country, independent of their own moral life. and the US dropping more bombs continued to get worse and worse under trump and the situation got worse and worse-shockingly enough. 2019 was a banner year for that. It would seem that trump had a fetish for dropping bombs and outdoing Obama https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/
SteveO Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Duncan said: and the US dropping more bombs continued to get worse and worse under trump and the situation got worse and worse-shockingly enough. 2019 was a banner year for that. It would seem that trump had a fetish for dropping bombs and outdoing Obama https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/ Thank goodness. I was frantically looking for something to exonerate Obama from war crimes. “The other guy is worse” apparently works just fine. 2
bsjkki Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 14 minutes ago, Duncan said: and the US dropping more bombs continued to get worse and worse under trump and the situation got worse and worse-shockingly enough. 2019 was a banner year for that. It would seem that trump had a fetish for dropping bombs and outdoing Obama https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/ Here is a full picture of bomb dropping. All the stats. Interesting that Trump ended reporting on this and Biden has not restarted. https://www.juancole.com/2021/03/missiles-countries-recently.html 1
Ragerunner Posted January 9, 2022 Posted January 9, 2022 I have found this quote from Elder Oaks to be of great insight and value in my life when it comes to politics and dealing with others of different viewpoints. "Extreme voices polarize and create resentment and fear by emphasizing what is nonnegotiable and by suggesting that the desired outcome is to disable the adversary and achieve absolute victory. Such outcomes are rarely attainable and never preferable to living together in mutual understanding and peace." Elder Oaks - October 2015 - church release I think ETB may have lost sight of this concept, at least until the mantle of prophet came to his door step.
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