Sexism in Utah: How Latter-day Saints Fare

[smac97]

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

So my question is why are the NA towns not incorporated.  

Perhaps for the same reasons as other non-NA towns are not incorporated?  Nobody has undertaken the task?

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

If they are not incorporated because they are neglected because of race, that would be problematic.  

There are plenty of unincorporated "towns" in Utah.  There is a statutory process for incorporating a town, and nothing in the process includes any constraints or qualifications based on the racial demographics of the town.

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

I am not saying this is the case as you point out there are a number of other unincorporated areas, just saying it is a possibility that shouldn’t be ignored.

There is nothing preventing anyone starting the process of incorporating these CDPs into towns. 

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

Thanks for looking into it deeper. I agree there appear to be problems with the article, especially Imo your “C”. That feels sloppy. 

I have much affection for the ethnic mosaic that is my family, my civic community, my religious community, and my country.  The article came across as somewhat racebaiting.  Claims of "systemic racism" have, for some time now, created a sort of boy-who-cried-wolf fatigue.  Unreasoned attributions of every social ill to vague and amorphous "racism" is getting a bit long in the tooth.

12 minutes ago, Calm said:

I wouldn’t dismiss the claims, but think more precision should be used for a better comparison and therefore more informed conclusion.  For one thing, taking what you did a few steps further by collecting all of the CDPs in Utah, rating them by size and density of population and then seeing if there is a significant difference on the likelihood of being listed between white majority CDPs and NA ones. 

I dunno.  As I noted, the Utah maps website is very uneven.  It looks like more of a Visitor's Center-type brochure than a comprehensive list of every location in Utah.  Some CDPs have entries, but most don't.  And many of those who don't are both larger in population and predominantly "white," so attributing the lack of entries for them to "racism" seems . . . off.  That being the case, attributing the lack of entries for some of the "Native" CDPs to "racism" comes across as ad hoc, facile, unreasoned, and unfair.  Racism is an important enough social ill that we ought not be sloppy when making accusations about it.

Thanks,

-Smac

[ttribe]

On 11/4/2021 at 4:26 AM, Mike Drop said:

First, these days everything is sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic white supremacy, the patriarchy and so on. There’s a group of people who are screaming really loud these days and if you don’t view the world through the same lens that they do, they’re going to become extremely upset and attack you with one of the words/ phrases above.  I take a different approach, I just act normal and if they get offended, oh well! Sexism in Utah can’t objectively be measured through the “lens” I talked about above because in the world of the people who view life through that lens, have painted everybody with one the words above. In their minds there’s no escaping it. 

Maybe "everything" isn't all of those things.  Maybe, you're just finding out that so many things you've taken for granted are in fact sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, white supremacy, the patriarchy and so on because people have had enough of those things being ingrained in our society.  You say you "just act normal" but your version of "normal" is totally your own.  Given your rant, I can imagine your blind spots are pretty significant on these issues.

[katherine the great]

1 hour ago, smac97 said:

The article came across as somewhat racebaiting.  Claims of "systemic racism" have, for some time now, created a sort of boy-who-cried-wolf fatigue.  Unreasoned attributions of every social ill to vague and amorphous "racism" is getting a bit long in the tooth.

I agree that this particular article is unbalanced. It fails to mention how complex it is to run a county with large swathes of land being reservation. Native sovereignty allows for the tribal government to levy taxes on the reservation so it seems that they should be able to contribute to their services (without being completely dependent on the county) but that is hindered by the endemic poverty present on many reservations.

But this certainly isn’t the only article addressing systematic racism in San Juan County. Look around. The gerrymandering issue is most definitely real and smacks of racism.  
How many times does a county have to get their hand smacked by a federal judge? I absolutely love seeing the tribes use American law to regain some of their power.

[katherine the great]

20 hours ago, strappinglad said:

King James Version (KJV)

But let your communication be, Yes, yes; No, no: for whatever is more than these comes of evil.😉

So maybe this isn’t such a new issue after all! 🙂

[Mike Drop]

11 hours ago, ttribe said:

Maybe "everything" isn't all of those things.  Maybe, you're just finding out that so many things you've taken for granted are in fact sexist, racist, homophobic, transphobic, white supremacy, the patriarchy and so on because people have had enough of those things being ingrained in our society.  You say you "just act normal" but your version of "normal" is totally your own.  Given your rant, I can imagine your blind spots are pretty significant on these issues.

You know what, you’ve  changed my mind. I can now see that my white skin has “blinded” me from the truth. I’m going to repent now, I’ll be back later. 

[Calm]

13 hours ago, katherine the great said:

The gerrymandering issue is most definitely real and smacks of racism.  
How many times does a county have to get their hand smacked by a federal judge? I absolutely love seeing the tribes use American law to regain some of their power.

Just an FYI for those unfamiliar with this topic:

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2017/12/22/federal-judge-adopts-new-voting-district-boundaries-in-san-juan-county/

https://www.sltrib.com/news/2019/07/16/th-circuit-court-upholds/

Edited November 6, 2021 by Calm

[The Nehor]

On 11/6/2021 at 6:18 AM, Mike Drop said:

You know what, you’ve  changed my mind. I can now see that my white skin has “blinded” me from the truth. I’m going to repent now, I’ll be back later. 

Yeah, empathy sounds like too much work.