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12 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

This is what you are defending:

No, I am not, anymore than I am defending police heavy handed beatings of protesters while supporting police presence to prevent looters.

How a lockdown is implemented is not the same thing as the lockdown itself.  If that is the SOP lockdown measure, where every citizen leaving their home gets maced, I would definitely have a problem with that, even if I have no problem with most businesses being closed or working from home and people required to stay home except for a few exceptions.

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9 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

No liberal society should ever accept the police brutality at work in Sydney and Melbourne.  

I haven’t been following accusations of police brutality there, no doubt there is some, but I would need to see full context including protestor behaviour before police get involved before assuming it is to the point of destroying a generally free society.

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54 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

Yes!  And only at the cost of killing liberal society!

They were more free of the “tyranny” of masks and lockdowns than most of the world yet they are the monsters destroying everything? A short-term lockdown was implemented due to an outbreak to preserve that. I wish the United States had taken this course. People I care about might still be alive and others might not be hobbled by long term damage from this disease.

15 minutes ago, Ipod Touch said:

This is what you are defending:

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No liberal society should ever accept the police brutality at work in Sydney and Melbourne.  

You can find videos of police brutality in the United States matching this on at least a monthly and probably a weekly basis even before the pandemic. I guess liberal society already died.

Edit: Here, have my favorite due to the sheer cynicism of the police union involved

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/adeonibada/philadelphia-police-union-black-child

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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/melbourne-construction-sites-shut-down-after-anti-vaccine-mandate-protest-2021-09-20/
 

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Police in Melbourne fired pepper balls and rubber pellets on Tuesday to disperse about 2,000 protesters who defied stay-at- home orders to damage property, block a busy freeway and injure three officers, leading to more than 60 arrests.

Sounds familiar.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/melbourne-construction-sites-shut-down-after-anti-vaccine-mandate-protest-2021-09-20/

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Police in Australia's second largest city of Melbourne arrested more than 200 people after projectiles thrown by protesters injured two officers on Wednesday, the third consecutive day of demonstrations against COVID-19 curbs.

https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/locked-down-melbourne-braces-more-protests-covid-19-cases-rise-2021-09-22/

So far the videos I am watching are showing more violence from protestors than police, but I just got started.  It is just strange to see something labeled as violent and then out of three minutes or so of peaceful protest and police just standing there, one short clip of a pepper spraying one man and another or a reporter getting clobbered by a thrown can.

I have watched about 12 videos so far and got to say, Australians are rotten for catching police in the act.  Not seeing anything by police that looks uncalled for.  Not saying there isn’t, just surprised given the claims by IPod, there isn’t tons of stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2021/sep/22/melbourne-police-break-up-anti-lockdown-protest-with-non-lethal-rounds-and-teargas

Police violence amounts to horses spinning around, prevent protestors from moving forward.  Projectiles thrown at police, not the reverse.

Just reading about police being injured and that one reporter, no protestors reported hurt, though lots arrested.  I am assuming some must have been as stuff was being thrown at police in one video, but civilians were mixed in.  Going to see if I can find any reports on that, but going to withhold belief liberty has disappeared in the streets of Melbourne and Sydney based on what I have seen so far.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57952516

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Had to add this for Nehor…

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"There is a network of hard-right, man-baby Nazis," he said, "people who just want to cause trouble. ... They want to complain about the vaccination, and they deserve to get the full force of everything that's coming their way.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/21/1039301977/anti-vaccine-protesters-clash-with-police-in-melbourne-for-the-second-straight-d

Finally found a picture of a civilian injured, but doesn’t say how:

https://www.npr.org/2021/07/24/1020158692/australia-covid-lockdown-protests-sydney-arrests-coronavirus

Unless police are lying through their teeth, I m not seeing evidence of police brutality…they finally have to pull out the pepper spray and rubber bullets when alleged neoNazis flood what started out as a protest by construction workers.  7 police officers injured, no reports of civilian injuries by any of the 20 or so articles I have been reading by a number of different agencies…none of which were shy in reporting accounts of police brutality in the US, so it would surprising me if they hid it for these stories.

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Four officers were treated for concussions, one for a broken thumb and two others for possible broken noses, according to the police in the state of Victoria, which includes Melbourne. Another officer was treated at the scene for a cut on the neck.

The police said it was the first time officers had been forced to use “a range of nonlethal options” to disperse anti-lockdown protesters in Melbourne, which has seen a number of demonstrations against restrictions. Officers fired pellets and used pepper spray.

 

Finally showed some action that might be overkill, would have to know why they arrested this guy or see another angle.  If he was one throwing rocks and bottles or otherwise attacking the cops, as far as I can tell he would be getting an appropriate response…though hard to see exactly what was going on so maybe the police did get in a kick or punch as opposed to what looks like pushing to the ground by mass to cuff him.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-19/melbourne-violent-anti-covid-lockdown-protests-injured-officers/100474300

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There is a sick irony in fascists calling for liberty by beating up law enforcement.

The Jan 6 insurrection ‘ideals’ are going global in the worst possible way. Another sick irony. The birthplace of modern democracy providing the template for its destruction. I wish I could say the world doesn’t deserve this.

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1 hour ago, bsjkki said:

 

I guess I need to get a Twitter account. Thanks. I wonder why the news was so bland. 
 

Those were depressing…from TV shows I had expected to see quite a bit even assuming they overdid it big time for the drama, so when nothing much was coming up I got thinking how nice it would be if there was no overkill.  Ah well. 
 

I wonder why there was no report of civilian injuries. I could see if there was only one reporter who was sending the report to many agencies, but I could see a number of them all over and I have seen plenty of write ups about violence down under in the past. 
 

I wonder if Google decided I needed a peaceful, cheerful, cup full of the milk of human kindness kind of day and edited anything worse than PG. ;) 

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2 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

I quit Twitter for a bit but then felt completely uninformed. 

Good to know. One of these days I will sign up and then ask you to give me an orientation on how to find the good stuff and not waste my time getting sidetracked like Facebook does to me. 

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Just an FYI…I condemn the incidents of police brutality as well as violent protestors, but unless they are doing the same with curfews and lockdowns after the pandemic is controlled worldwide and there is no danger of surges, I am reluctant to assume this is anything but an intelligent, short term response to a deadly, contagious disease…though I realize others will have different opinions.  I don’t see it as the end of democracy or draconian. 

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7 minutes ago, Calm said:

pandemic is controlled worldwide and there is no danger of surges,

This may never happen. We don’t really know what will happen. They arrest people for going to parks or taking walks. They close internal borders. They let babies die who can’t get the surgeries they need. I find that draconian and anti-science. Masks outside are absolutely ridiculous unless you are in a crowd and even then, outdoor event outbreaks are very rare. 

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57 minutes ago, bsjkki said:

This may never happen. We don’t really know what will happen. They arrest people for going to parks or taking walks. They close internal borders. They let babies die who can’t get the surgeries they need. I find that draconian and anti-science. Masks outside are absolutely ridiculous unless you are in a crowd and even then, outdoor event outbreaks are very rare. 

I meant their total plan. This part only last for another month or two at most, then they go into what should be a workable, mask and social distancing phrase.  The some in states that have had no Covid are ticked off because I am guessing they think they have managed so far with travel restrictions, if the sites that keep getting infected just stay closed, then the nonCovid states can manage staying no Covid until the global pandemic is over.  Can’t please everyone for sure. 
 

I am also assuming that after the point is made they are serious and not like some places that do a mandate but don’t enforce it or even the leaders ignore it, they will calm down and work out a balance with the citizens, but that could be too Pollyanna. 
 

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They let babies die who can’t get the surgeries they need

Have you found more than the one strange occurrence of this happening?  This was bad (iirc, there were six involved), but my memory says it was a weird thing with one hospital that others were saying was unnecessary. 
 

added:  four, not six

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-10-22/unanswered-questions-over-baby-deaths-at-adelaide-hospital/12801108

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Meanwhile, mining magnate Clive Palmer said he contacted senior staff at the hospital yesterday, offering to buy five ECMO machines, and was awaiting a response.

"This is a medical emergency, I think we need immediate action," he told radio station FiveAA.

"I'm still waiting to hear from them to see how we can pay the money, how I can sign the cheque.

"I understand it's been costing the SA Government $4-5 million every year to try to take young babies or dying babies over to Victoria hoping to get treatment there.

"If I donate the machines, surely the Government can carry the operating cost, which will be a lot less than the $5 million they spend now.

"We're talking about young babies' lives here."

I hope they were able or will be able to take him up on his offer.

Added:  Unfortunately so far they have not:

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/mining/sa-premier-doesnt-want-billionaire-clive-palmers-money-to-buy-machines-to-save-babies-lives/news-story/6c8fb6ea1307abab7743ca2acca4438f
 

Covid wasn’t the issue, because they could have gone to Sydney. Reading between the lines of the multiple article, I am guessing it was conflict or a new doctor on the team as it looks like a communication problem. Seriously…”not everyone on the team knew of the planned care”…of four babies? I can hear it now:  “I thought you were responsible for the oxygen.”  No, you were supposed to.”  “Maybe it was Bruce?”  “Which one?”

That is not a glitch.  Major issues in the pediatric dept at that hospital.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-24/wch-four-baby-deaths-review/13011456

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-20/doctors-reduced-to-tears-over-under-resourcing-adelaide-hospital/11983728

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