theplains Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 3:19 PM, Ahab said: Do you mean the first person whose pain from guilt for sin he felt while knowing what it felt like to have that guilt from sin when before that moment he had never felt what it felt like to sin since he had never sinned and was not accountable for any sins? Or do you mean the first time he felt what it felt like to be accountable for sin? The first person.
theplains Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 2:23 PM, CV75 said: Is that the first in mortality, or ever? Ever.
CV75 Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 2 hours ago, theplains said: Ever. Who do you identify as the first human ever? 1
Ahab Posted February 16, 2021 Posted February 16, 2021 23 hours ago, theplains said: The first person. I really don't know but I'm somewhat leaning toward the idea that he felt all of the pain anyone has ever felt (and will ever feel) from any and all sins they have ever been committed either during or after discovering that what they did was wrong/a bad thing. I think it is by knowing what it feels like to feel that pain that he knows how to relate to others who have felt that pain, rather than knowing what it feels like to be one of us. So, if my thinking is right on this, I think Jesus may have felt the pain of Adam and Eve at the same time he felt the pain you have felt and the pain I have felt, and the pain of everyone else, all at the same time, rather than feeling Adam and Eve's pain first, since they were the first 2 people on this planet to sin, and then felt the 3rd person's pain, and then the 4th person's pain, etc, all the way down now to whoever is the most recent person born on this planet, in succession.
theplains Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 On 2/15/2021 at 5:38 PM, CV75 said: Who do you identify as the first human ever? Adam was the first human on our Earth. Maybe we can use him as the example for my earlier question.
CV75 Posted February 17, 2021 Posted February 17, 2021 2 hours ago, theplains said: Adam was the first human on our Earth. Maybe we can use him as the example for my earlier question. Adam would then be the first human that Christ felt empathy, pity, and compassion for, as opposed to apathy, cruelty and hard-heartedness.
echelon Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 12:39 PM, Ahab said: I really don't know but I'm somewhat leaning toward the idea that he felt all of the pain anyone has ever felt (and will ever feel) from any and all sins they have ever been committed either during or after discovering that what they did was wrong/a bad thing. I think it is by knowing what it feels like to feel that pain that he knows how to relate to others who have felt that pain, rather than knowing what it feels like to be one of us. So, if my thinking is right on this, I think Jesus may have felt the pain of Adam and Eve at the same time he felt the pain you have felt and the pain I have felt, and the pain of everyone else, all at the same time, rather than feeling Adam and Eve's pain first, since they were the first 2 people on this planet to sin, and then felt the 3rd person's pain, and then the 4th person's pain, etc, all the way down now to whoever is the most recent person born on this planet, in succession. What would your thoughts be about God the Father knowing what our pain feels like and how did he get that knowledge? During Christ's atonement (Time not being a factor)? or does He already know from His atoning sacrifice back when He was the savior of His civilization which would then assume that there are no new ways ever to sin in the many plans of salvations and saviors that come afterward.
mfbukowski Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 On 2/16/2021 at 11:39 AM, Ahab said: I really don't know but I'm somewhat leaning toward the idea that he felt all of the pain anyone has ever felt (and will ever feel) from any and all sins they have ever been committed either during or after discovering that what they did was wrong/a bad thing. I think it is by knowing what it feels like to feel that pain that he knows how to relate to others who have felt that pain, rather than knowing what it feels like to be one of us. So, if my thinking is right on this, I think Jesus may have felt the pain of Adam and Eve at the same time he felt the pain you have felt and the pain I have felt, and the pain of everyone else, all at the same time, rather than feeling Adam and Eve's pain first, since they were the first 2 people on this planet to sin, and then felt the 3rd person's pain, and then the 4th person's pain, etc, all the way down now to whoever is the most recent person born on this planet, in succession. I agree. And there is talk of the atonement being a "sacrifice". I don't see the sacrifice as being paying a debt- I see the sacrifice as Christ being willing to take that on himself so that we all have someone who knows all we can feel and never be alone in our pain. He has taken it upon himself in love that we may be healed. I suppose that IS a sacrifice but maybe a different take- maybe that is obvious to others.
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