teddyaware Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Ahab said: Uh, wow, well, okay, try this: we all need both light + truth to see and/or understand what words refer to or represent. Intelligence = light + truth = the glory of God I agree.
MiserereNobis Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Ahab said: I'd rather stick with common sense and normal words than to get into all of that philosophical mumbo-jumbo talk. Do you say something similar when talking to a quantum physicist? A medical doctor? A musician? Or is your disdain for technical terms used in fields of knowledge reserved just for philosophy?
Ahab Posted January 11, 2021 Posted January 11, 2021 (edited) 53 minutes ago, MiserereNobis said: Do you say something similar when talking to a quantum physicist? A medical doctor? A musician? Or is your disdain for technical terms used in fields of knowledge reserved just for philosophy? Yep, pretty much the same thing. I do understand some technical terms but when the legalese or medical terminology or whatever gets to where it sounds like Latin or Greek to me I tell the guy or gal who is trying to communicate with me that I would rather they explain things to me in plain English than use all of that mumbo-jumbo talk with me. Oh, and please note that disdain is a word you used\ which I did not use. I simply prefer plain speech and am not really very interested in learning all of the specialized languages/words associated with particular specialized disciplines of thought. Later, when we get back to how everything is supposed to be, when we don't have to deal with death or people who lie to us or have corrupt ideas of truth/reality, we'll all have a lot less mess to sort through. Edited January 12, 2021 by Ahab
mfbukowski Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 4 hours ago, teddyaware said: I agree. Yep. Moi aussi! - me too! There are other ways to say anything, each context is it's own culture with it's own language Say Ahab's words to an atheist and see how far it gets you in allowing him to see religious belief as justified. ("possibly true") You will get deep chuckles. On the other hand when Rorty uses his words in his context/language, it communicates on another level to a philosopher who knows what qualia are, AND that word could justify belief in religion, or at least help the atheist look further, but you have to understand the terminology. And the atheist suddenly may see the entire issue differently I once WAS that atheist who saw the light when nothing else would have communicated to me a possible way to understand that religion was more than a childish emotion in your belly, or a visit from Santa. It was a perfectly rational and justified way to understand meaning in one's life Rorty's wife was an active LDS member, an their kids were raised LDS. Yes they have since left. Believing a position is justified is one thing, devoting one's life to it is another. 1
mfbukowski Posted January 12, 2021 Posted January 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Ahab said: I do understand some technical terms but when the legalese or medical terminology or whatever gets to where it sounds like Latin or Greek to me I tell the guy or gal who is trying to communicate with me that I would rather they explain things to me in plain English than use all of that mumbo-jumbo talk with me. So you prefer ignorance to understanding what is being said for yourself? You don't desire to learn more? That just blows me away. Seriously unbelievable. I am floored, can't get over it 1
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