Robert F. Smith Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Tacenda said: I'm only asking for correct history. And like Elder Holland mentions to the scholars sitting in the audience, they are to think of the members faith above else. And if later on if things come out, not his words, then they will not be held accountable, not his words. I'm sure you've read the quote right? Saw it elsewhere, but I read the whole message with Elder Holland afterwards to see it in context. Here is the quote below, that has some people a little/lot concerned I guess. "We know you can’t be credible in every circle if you are seen as lacking scholarly substance and categorically defensive all the time. But neither can you afford ever to be perceived as failing to serve the larger, faith-oriented purposes of the Church. All we can ask is that you pray and fast and strive and sweat to find your way through. Then, if there be error, let it be on the side of your covenants and faith convictions. I promise the board won’t return in five years—or ever—and come down on you, saying you made a mistake in doing so." So you think that employees of LDS Church owned institutions, like BYU and the Maxwell Institute, should not kowtow to the Church, and to the specific purposes for which they were founded? You believe that Church employees are not obligated to speak on behalf of the Church? Or should an employee who cannot in good conscience do that first resign his position before he begins to level criticisms at the Church for not seeing it as Church leaders do? Is that wise or practical? No religious college of any denomination permits treason in the ranks. One can always leave and go to a secular institution. That is the practical reality. As to Elder Holland's promise that the Board of Trustees will never come back and find fault, I doubt the practicality of that promise. All it takes is a few key deaths in high places, and policy may take a very different turn. You and Jeff Holland are both very impractical, Tacenda.
Robert F. Smith Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: “Would not be” is a more apt verb in this instance than “could not be.” Would that you could be baited.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 For those disposed to engage in “what-if” mental exercises, I offer the following for rumination: Had Daniel Peterson and colleagues not been purged from the editorship of the Maxwell Institute’s flagship journal, would admonitions such as those given by Elder Holland have been necessary? For that matter, would it have become advisable for the institute to divest itself of said journal, as has indeed happened of late?
CV75 Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: Would that you could be baited. Is that up for "de-bait"? 3
the narrator Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 16 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said: I've tried parsing the formal rules as published by the LDS Church, but they seem far less clear to me than to you. I tried to get Scott Lloyd to explain what the limits were, but he could not be baited. 😎 For your pleasure:
Robert F. Smith Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, the narrator said: For your pleasure:.............................. Thanks so much, Loyd. That was indeed a pleasure. I have loved Peggy Fletcher ever since she was editor of Sunstone, and thought her brief UVU remarks were sincere and on point. I also agree very much with your analysis and proposals. Your comments on this thread were not nearly as incisive. I was glad to hear Boyd say that the LDS Church may have some blind spots in making this proposal, and that the guidelines may be subject to negotiation. The Q&A was excellent. One thing is clear: "The Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ" is not equivalent to "Mormonism" (or Mormon culture), and cannot be a substitute for it. Peggy is quite correct to say that the new style guide will not stand. It leaves too many practical problems in its wake, not least of which are clarity and neutrality. Edited February 2, 2019 by Robert F. Smith 4
Stargazer Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 I read through the list of members of the board of the Maxwell Institute and was delighted to see Cory Maxwell listed! Reasons: he is a son of Neal A. Maxwell; and he and I served in the same mission at the same time. 2
Robert F. Smith Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 25 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I read through the list of members of the board of the Maxwell Institute and was delighted to see Cory Maxwell listed! Reasons: he is a son of Neal A. Maxwell; and he and I served in the same mission at the same time. Nepotism?
Stargazer Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said: Nepotism? I shouldn't think so. Wouldn't it be reasonable to have someone on the board of an organization commemorating a person who has a strong personal interest in that person's legacy? Such as a descendant? 1
Robert F. Smith Posted February 2, 2019 Posted February 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Stargazer said: I shouldn't think so. Wouldn't it be reasonable to have someone on the board of an organization commemorating a person who has a strong personal interest in that person's legacy? Such as a descendant? O.K. I take it back.
Scott Lloyd Posted February 4, 2019 Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) On 2/2/2019 at 2:25 PM, Stargazer said: I read through the list of members of the board of the Maxwell Institute and was delighted to see Cory Maxwell listed! Reasons: he is a son of Neal A. Maxwell; and he and I served in the same mission at the same time. I don’t know how long Cory Maxwell has been on the board, but I wonder if his presence has influenced the institute’s recent retrenchment from an ivory tower, secular approach — one in which belief in and devotion to the restored gospel is “bracketed” — back to one more based on “disciple-scholarship.” Perhaps his presence is merely symptomatic of that retrenchment. Edited February 5, 2019 by Scott Lloyd
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