blueglass Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, JAHS said: Some of them might wrongly feel that it would invalidate the ordinance if it is something that could have been corrected when noticed but not corrected. But if it did invalidate the ordinance think of all the times such things went unnoticed and uncorrected. Are all those ordinances invalid and the person's soul lost because of it? I don't think so. I once accidentally put my robe on inside out and didn't realize it till the endowment was almost over. I felt a little stupid but I did not at all think the ordinance was invalidated. I said all the right words and made all the required promises and covenants with God. The main reason the temple workers might want to help patrons do the right things is to make sure there is order in the house of God. We are all equal in the sight of God and that is why we all wear the same clothes do the same things and say the same words. Some might be a little more fanatic at keeping that order compared to others. I think this dispute could have been resolved more quickly if both had discussed the scriptures together. Jana was emphasizing different scriptures the temple worker was unfamiliar with; The veil was rent in twain by Christ Matt 27:51, "the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent". "We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away." 2Cor3:13, The veil is "done away in Christ". 2Cor 3:14. When your heart turns to the Lord, "the veil shall be taken away." 2Cor3:15-16. If the temple worker had begun speaking about the veil as a symbol for the flesh of Christ. Then softly quotes the scriptures describing in specific ways the manner in which his flesh was prepared as manna and bread for nourishment, and as a holy sacrifice, that we may enter in the holiest (Celestial room), by the blood of Jesus, Heb10:19-20 that Christ is a "new and living way, which he hath consecrated through the veil, that is to say, his flesh". They could have a mutual understanding of the meanings of the veil and rejoice together. Edited January 27, 2019 by blueglass
juliann Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 Bluegrass, they are instructed to not give reasons. Every worker could give a different speculation because it is all speculation. 4
blueglass Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 39 minutes ago, juliann said: Bluegrass, they are instructed to not give reasons. Every worker could give a different speculation because it is all speculation. Quoting Paul is speculation? Discussing scriptures in the temple - taboo? Not an appropriate venue, place, sacred space with scriptures laying on every table near by? Edited January 27, 2019 by blueglass
juliann Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 You are conflating the temple veil with a veil meant to hide a woman’s face. That is speculation, it doesn’t mean it is a wrong interpretation but it is speculation. 2
blueglass Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, juliann said: You are conflating the temple veil with a veil meant to hide a woman’s face. That is speculation, it doesn’t mean it is a wrong interpretation but it is speculation. Please explain why Moses put a veil over his face 2cor3:13 and why this is different to the reason why all endowed women veiled their faces prior to Jan 2019. Sincere inquiry. Edited January 27, 2019 by blueglass
bluebell Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 58 minutes ago, blueglass said: Please explain why Moses put a veil over his face 2cor3:13 and why this is different to the reason why all endowed women veiled their faces prior to Jan 2019. Sincere inquiry. I like to think of the veil as it’s spoken of in Ether 3:19-20. 4
blueglass Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 9 hours ago, bluebell said: I like to think of the veil as it’s spoken of in Ether 3:19-20. Ether3 is definitely one of my favorites in the book. Ether3:6 "the veil was taken from off the eyes of the brother of Jared". 2nephi30:6 "their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes" 3
Maidservant Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 On 1/25/2019 at 7:37 PM, JAHS said: my veil—a symbol of female submission🙂 ) I am pained for her that this is what she came to. I have come to practically the opposite conclusion of its purpose and significance. It is what I will miss the most, I become very sad. 2
Tacenda Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 30 minutes ago, Maidservant said: I am pained for her that this is what she came to. I have come to practically the opposite conclusion of its purpose and significance. It is what I will miss the most, I become very sad. When you say you will miss the veil, do you mean the part of covering your face, or are they discontinuing wearing it? Probably a dumb question since I doubt they would do that.
bluebell Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, blueglass said: Ether3 is definitely one of my favorites in the book. Ether3:6 "the veil was taken from off the eyes of the brother of Jared". 2nephi30:6 "their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes" I love where it talks about not being able to be kept from within the veil, highlighting that in some contexts, being within the veil denoted a very personal and faithful relationship with the Savior, even being in His presence. 1
bluebell Posted January 27, 2019 Posted January 27, 2019 3 hours ago, Maidservant said: I am pained for her that this is what she came to. I have come to practically the opposite conclusion of its purpose and significance. It is what I will miss the most, I become very sad. Me too. 1
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