Bill Reel announces he faces impending Bishop's Court

[Duncan]

11 minutes ago, phaedrus ut said:

No you need to provide support to your accusations.  You can't just say look up X and Y.  

Phaedrus 

I got them from X and Y and those are my conclusions

It's like me saying I got this at the store

you say which store?

I say I can't tell you, it's policy

then there is this pile on and I give in and say where I got it from and it's Wal Mart, with the link

and then you say where in Wal mart

and I say do I have to tell you where specifically I got this in Wal mart? what aisle number, what I was wearing, what check out lane number I went to, isn't telling you Wal mart good enough?! I hope so, I hope you can check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions, like I did😊

Edited August 1, 2018 by Duncan

[SouthernMo]

12 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I got them from X and Y and those are my conclusions

It's like me saying I got this at the store

you say which store?

I say I can't tell you, it's policy

then there is this pile on and I give in and say where I got it from and it's Wal Mart, with the link

and then you say where in Wal mart

and I say do I have to tell you where specifically I got this in Wal mart? what aisle number, what I was wearing, what check out lane number I went to, isn't telling you Wal mart good enough?! I hope so, I hope you can check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions, like I did😊

I know I'm late to the discussion, but having read over this discussion about citing sources (which I am not always great at), I offer another comparison that might articulate how others view your yet unaccepted sources/citations.

If I claimed: "Duncan's a liar" and someone asked me for a CFR, imagine if I responded "Just go to mormondialogue.org, read it yourself, and draw your own conclusions."

My claim may not be disproven, but I have not done much to convince anyone else of my claim.  I have a very weak argument.

[Duncan]

Just now, SouthernMo said:

I know I'm late to the discussion, but having read over this discussion about citing sources (which I am not always great at), I offer another comparison that might articulate how others view your yet unaccepted sources/citations.

If I claimed: "Duncan's a liar" and someone asked me for a CFR, imagine if I responded "Just go to mormondialogue.org, read it yourself, and draw your own conclusions."

My claim may not be disproven, but I have not done much to convince anyone else of my claim.  I have a very weak argument.

I entirely disagree, but I have dishes to do😱

[SouthernMo]

10 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I entirely disagree, but I have dishes to do😱

OK, and just to be clear - I am not calling you a liar.  If it came across that way, I withdraw my claim.

[Joe]

Bill, quit distorting church history! That's the job of CES. 

[HappyJackWagon]

44 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I got them from X and Y and those are my conclusions

It's like me saying I got this at the store

you say which store?

I say I can't tell you, it's policy

then there is this pile on and I give in and say where I got it from and it's Wal Mart, with the link

and then you say where in Wal mart

and I say do I have to tell you where specifically I got this in Wal mart? what aisle number, what I was wearing, what check out lane number I went to, isn't telling you Wal mart good enough?! I hope so, I hope you can check it out for yourself and come to your own conclusions, like I did😊

Disappointing to see you try to hide behind policy. Your behavior on this thread is uncharacteristically hostile and evasive. It's very strange. Did Bill Reel shoot your dog or something? You seem to have such a vendetta that you aren't able to see reason and the necessity for offering references to back up your claims. It's kind of unsettling. I hope all is well with you.

[HappyJackWagon]

14 minutes ago, SouthernMo said:

OK, and just to be clear - I am not calling you a liar.  If it came across that way, I withdraw my claim.

And that's how it's done. If you can't back up a claim, you withdraw it. If you step over the line, even accidentally, you suck it up and apologize. I think we've all been there. Well done.

[Duncan]

13 minutes ago, HappyJackWagon said:

Disappointing to see you try to hide behind policy. Your behavior on this thread is uncharacteristically hostile and evasive. It's very strange. Did Bill Reel shoot your dog or something? You seem to have such a vendetta that you aren't able to see reason and the necessity for offering references to back up your claims. It's kind of unsettling. I hope all is well with you.

I feel fine! just finished the dishes 🤗Um, I was encouraged to break policy. I have never owned a dog, don't like dogs TBH and have never met Bill Reel. I gave my references, against policy about not cross posting and trying to be fair to Bill Reel, all of which I explained earlier. Now, if I have misinterpreted the policy then that's my mistake but people encouraging me or others to break a policy, as you perceive it anyways, isn't good either.

Edited August 1, 2018 by Duncan

[Tacenda]

1 minute ago, Duncan said:

I feel fine! just finished the dishes 🤗Um, I was encouraged to break policy. I have never owned a dog, don't like dogs TBH and have never met Bill Reel. I gave my references, against policy about not cross posting and trying to be fair to Bill Reel, all of which I explained earlier.

How come you ignore my post Duncan? I posted what Bill said on FB. Maybe you've put me on ignore though, so understandable. 

[JulieM]

12 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I feel fine! just finished the dishes 🤗Um, I was encouraged to break policy. I have never owned a dog, don't like dogs TBH and have never met Bill Reel. I gave my references, against policy about not cross posting and trying to be fair to Bill Reel, all of which I explained earlier. Now, if I have misinterpreted the policy then that's my mistake but people encouraging me or others to break a policy, as you perceive it anyways, isn't good either.

You’ve posted nothing that anyone can specifically read that backs up your specific claims and accusations against Bill, Duncan.  Just some random Facebook link.  That proves nothing towards what you claim.  And when people ask for real references, you blow them off and say you have dishes to wash.  Weird.

I also wonder why you’re acting like this and wonder if it’s personal?

Im going to conclude that you’ve got nothing and were just spouting off against Bill.  That’s my opinion.

Edited August 1, 2018 by JulieM

[Duncan]

6 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

How come you ignore my post Duncan? I posted what Bill said on FB. Maybe you've put me on ignore though, so understandable. 

I didn't put you on ignore!!!! I was doing the dishes!!!!!!!!!

[Duncan]

Just now, JulieM said:

You’ve posted nothing that anyone can specifically read that backs up your specific claims and accusations against Bill, Duncan.  Just some random Facebook link.  That’s proves nothing towards what you claim.

I also wonder why you’re acting like this and wonder if it’s personal?

random facebook link? Margaret McMiller from Walla Walla Washington's FB post about her trip to Norman, OK is random, but his post about Isaiah and reddit is specific and a link to his thing about the gold plates. It isn't personal, I don't know him

[DBMormon]

21 hours ago, Calm said:

I agree with this, which is why I would have no problem with a D.C. Being held for Elder Holland if he was consistently using inflammatory language to attack Bill Reel or another member in such a way to cause members to question their faith and covenants in order to determine if he had broken or rejected his covenants.  I think "lay" members are as responsible to the faith community as the leaders.

what if he has shown a tendency to lie on multiple occasions?

[JulieM]

7 minutes ago, Duncan said:

random facebook link? Margaret McMiller from Walla Walla Washington's FB post about her trip to Norman, OK is random, but his post about Isaiah and reddit is specific and a link to his thing about the gold plates. It isn't personal, I don't know him

It contained nothing specific regarding your accusations of dishonesty.  It was a random, general reference that proved absolutely nothing.  You can disagree with Bill, but calling him dishonest is a specific, ugly accusation.  

Once again, I’m concluding you’ve got nothing to back your claims up or you would have done the honorable thing and supplied quotes (that showed Bill was dishonest or where he took credit for other’s material as you claim).  That should have been easy for you to do. Your refusal to do so is revealing imo.

Edited August 1, 2018 by JulieM

[Tacenda]

7 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I didn't put you on ignore!!!! I was doing the dishes!!!!!!!!!

Well I'm glad about that, just wish you'd put Bill on ignore!!!! He has become a thorn in your poor side.  I totally get it, but worry he's struck a nerve or else why all this hoopla about the post he made? Which you still haven't answered me about. What is it about the post about the gold plates and Isaiah? 

Here is my post to you, if you're done doing the dishes. 

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/70848-bill-reel-announces-he-faces-impending-bishops-court/?do=findComment&comment=1209839523

 

[HappyJackWagon]

15 minutes ago, Duncan said:

I feel fine! just finished the dishes 🤗Um, I was encouraged to break policy. I have never owned a dog, don't like dogs TBH and have never met Bill Reel. I gave my references, against policy about not cross posting and trying to be fair to Bill Reel, all of which I explained earlier. Now, if I have misinterpreted the policy then that's my mistake but people encouraging me or others to break a policy, as you perceive it anyways, isn't good either.

Yes, I believe you have misinterpreted the "no cross posting" rule. Cross posting would be if you post something here and then copy/past the exact thing on another board like NOM and then copy and post direct quotes from NOM over here. I think that's intended to keep from having board wars. But that doesn't mean you can't supply examples to support your opinion. Bill has so many podcasts and social media posts that you could choose from and wouldn't violate any kind of cross posting rule.

Following the board rule about answering CFR's wouldn't violate the non-cross posting rule. I think people just want to understand where you're coming from with some examples of how you feel Bill has been dishonest. If you've got a solid example of dishonesty, I'll admit it. I've got no dog in the fight. But refusing to support the claim of dishonesty not only disrespects Bill because of the unfounded claim, but also disrespects those of us on the board asking for a CFR.

[Duncan]

2 minutes ago, JulieM said:

It contained nothing specific regarding your accusations of dishonesty.  It was a random, general reference that proved absolutely nothing.  You can disagree with Bill, but calling him dishonest is a specific, ugly accusation.  

Once again, I’m concluding you’ve got nothing to back your claims up or you would have done the honorable thing and supplied quotes (that showed Bill was dishonest or where he took credit for other’s material as you claim).  That should have been easy for you to do. Your refusal to do so is revealing imo.

lots of revelations, that's for sure. You shouldn't encourage me or others to break policy rules, it's that simple. 

[Duncan]

5 minutes ago, Tacenda said:

Well I'm glad about that, just wish you'd put Bill on ignore!!!! He has become a thorn in your poor side.  I totally get it, but worry he's struck a nerve or else why all this hoopla about the post he made? Which you still haven't answered me about. What is it about the post about the gold plates and Isaiah? 

Here is my post to you, if you're done doing the dishes. 

http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/70848-bill-reel-announces-he-faces-impending-bishops-court/?do=findComment&comment=1209839523

 

😀

[JulieM]

4 minutes ago, Duncan said:

lots of revelations, that's for sure. You shouldn't encourage me or others to break policy rules, it's that simple. 

Yeah, like I said.

You've got nothing 😅 

If you were worrying about breaking board rules, you’d honor the CFR!!!

[Duncan]

1 minute ago, JulieM said:

Yeah, like I said.

You've got nothing 😅 

If you were worrying about breaking board rules, you’d honor the CFR!!!

or badgering someone when they gave it😶 let's move on shall we? '

[DBMormon]

3 hours ago, Duncan said:

yes, but there is that part about not cross posting so I can't takes stuff he said elsewhere, which is why I edited that part out from my post. I have seen him do that, ever listen to his podcasts? 

CFR for three lies I have spread?

Just list them.  Calling names without giving facts is simply wrong and against board rules.

[JulieM]

1 minute ago, Duncan said:

or badgering someone when they gave it😶 let's move on shall we? '

Ok.  But let it be known that you made an ugly accusation, would not honor a CFR to back it up, and supplied nothing supporting your claim.

Not cool at all.  

[Duncan]

4 minutes ago, DBMormon said:

CFR for three lies I have spread?

Just list them.  Calling names without giving facts is simply wrong and against board rules.

did I say lies? no and why three? and why did you put a question mark after "spread"?  are you asking yourself a question? Making junk up and asking others to honour is dumb

[Duncan]

6 minutes ago, JulieM said:

Ok.  But let it be known that you made an ugly accusation, would not honor a CFR to back it up, and supplied nothing supporting your claim.

Not cool at all.  

right and not comprehending is what now? see you around

[DBMormon]

3 hours ago, CA Steve said:

I  lost track here. Are you asking him about Bill's comments or Elder Holland's?

I can guarantee showing evidence for one is much easier than the other.  Though both have a ton of recorded audio and written word.