poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 20 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: (warning: incoming bluntness) None of those people you are describing actually have a lick of faith. Where their tail rest Sunday morning is irrelevant. Do you know anyone who ACTUALLY has faith? Faith as you describe it where it's not at least partially contingent on their material well being? Like one or 2 but they're in their 80's and 90's.
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, poptart said: Faith as you describe it where it's not at least partially contingent on their material well being? Like one or 2 but they're in their 80's and 90's. Well now you can add one to your list living in 2017. And I'm sure many more forum members would also be added to that list. And many people in any church (of any faith) you walk in to.
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, poptart said: I have not been so fortunate. You're welcome to see and ask questions of the person right in front of you that does have real faith. Yes, real faith of love, not in it for the material gain.
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: You're welcome to see and ask questions of the person right in front of you that does have real faith. Yes, real faith of love, not in it for the material gain. Ok, why?
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, poptart said: Ok, why? Why do I have faith? My faith is love. I love my savior, hence I have faith. I listen to those I love. I trust those I love. I am comforted by those I love and love me back (as Christ does). 4
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, poptart said: Why? No seriously, why? I just told you.... (I'm pathologically honest) 1
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: I just told you.... (I'm pathologically honest) Whelp, i've been through non stop hell, was backstabbled, may let lose mom and the holidays we were hoping for was ruined. No ones going to come to the rescue and as things are i've lost most if not almost all interest in life.
Popular Post Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Popular Post Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, poptart said: Whelp, i've been through non stop hell, was backstabbled, may let lose mom and the holidays we were hoping for was ruined. No ones going to come to the rescue and as things are i've lost most if not almost all interest in life. I was raped repeatedly starting at age 4. I went suicidal for the first time at age 7. I've been subject to a huge number of backstabbings and betrayals since then. Mental illness and I have many long years of intamincy. We just found out my husband has a chronic incurable disease that will probably take his life. Grandma nearly did just die and is never going back to her house (partially because it literally exploded). So much for the planned trip there for Christmas. No one / thing is going to swoop down and make all these things go away. Still, I love. 5
Calm Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Jane_Doe said: I was raped repeatedly starting at age 4. I went suicidal for the first time at age 7. I've been subject to a huge number of backstabbings and betrayals since then. Mental illness and I have many long years of intamincy. We just found out my husband has a chronic incurable disease that will probably take his life. Grandma nearly did just die and is never going back to her house (partially because it literally exploded). So much for the planned trip there for Christmas. No one / thing is going to swoop down and make all these things go away. Still, I love. Oh Jane. If only we could hold each other as easily as we can write. 3
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said: I was raped repeatedly starting at age 4. I went suicidal for the first time at age 7. I've been subject to a huge number of backstabbings and betrayals since then. Mental illness and I have many long years of intamincy. We just found out my husband has a chronic incurable disease that will probably take his life. Grandma nearly did just die and is never going back to her house (partially because it literally exploded). So much for the planned trip there for Christmas. No one / thing is going to swoop down and make all these things go away. Still, I love. So, how did you get involved with the Church? Another thing i've always liked, they help anyone. Edited December 11, 2017 by poptart
Popular Post Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Popular Post Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Calm said: Oh Jane. If only we could hold each other as easily as we can write. @Calm, you rock. And I really do enjoy your posts on this forum (along with many other posters). I'm okay though-- Christ gives the best embraces. Church today was super good in that regard. 5
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, poptart said: So, how did you get involved with the Church? Short answer: Grew up in it. Long answer: many bumps and meanders along the way, if you want to know about any of them. 3
Atheist Mormon Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 On 12/6/2017 at 4:02 PM, Rivers said: I can understand why tobacco is outlawed in the Word of Wisdom. It also makes sense that alcohol is in there considering all the negative effects of alcoholism. But why tea and coffee? Is there any good scientific literature out there that supports the declaration that tea and coffee is “not good?” Very good question. Before asking this question go to Thorah and figure out why god prohibited consuming pig meat....Before I knew Jewish laws I thought Word of wisdom was horrible to keep, but it was piece of cake compared to Jewish laws..... A little common sense can separate chaff from the wheat...definitely alcohol & tobacco is harmful for the body, but knowing that does not hold me to consume some alcohol now & then. Coffee is the engine of the brain in mornings (for me), I believe the power of caffeine.
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 17 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: Short answer: Grew up in it. Long answer: many bumps and meanders along the way, if you want to know about any of them. You know, its interesting how many institutions i've known as a kid have gone to the wayside, one of the most common things i've seen especially nowadays, drugs. One Buddhist group I was a part of had some guy who had a good job with a bank then let heroin creep into his life, he's in and out of rehab now. I've known saints who had to deal with this too.
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 14 minutes ago, poptart said: You know, its interesting how many institutions i've known as a kid have gone to the wayside, one of the most common things i've seen especially nowadays, drugs. One Buddhist group I was a part of had some guy who had a good job with a bank then let heroin creep into his life, he's in and out of rehab now. I've known saints who had to deal with this too. That doesn't really apply to my story.... I've always follow Christ's instructions in the Word of Wisdom, so no drugs for me. Edited December 11, 2017 by Jane_Doe 1
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 23 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: That doesn't really apply to my story.... I've always follow Christ's instructions in the Word of Wisdom, so no drugs for me. Then you're fortunate, seen amphetamines ruin one too many people, that stuff ruins families. That and the opioid epidemic, still remember watching the ambulance show up and cart people out of their apartments.
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, poptart said: Then you're fortunate, seen amphetamines ruin one too many people, that stuff ruins families. That and the opioid epidemic, still remember watching the ambulance show up and cart people out of their apartments. Call it a benefit of promising God I'm not going to do that stuff 2
juliann Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 Jane, what an inspiration you are. I’m so glad you are here. 2
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 12 minutes ago, Jane_Doe said: Call it a benefit of promising God I'm not going to do that stuff People make promises all the time and break them, and for the most part a good chunk of the population makes bad choices.
Jane_Doe Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, poptart said: People make promises all the time and break them, and for the most part a good chunk of the population makes bad choices. It that case it's a good thing I try really hard and Christ's super-charges me for that effort. 3
Calm Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Jane_Doe said: Call it a benefit of promising God I'm not going to do that stuff I am very grateful to have grown up in the Church as in the 30 years I was looking for help with my disorder and only misdiagnosed, I could have easily chosen to self medicate for it with the wrong stuff or even the right stuff and ended up addicted as I know many did. 3
Calm Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, poptart said: People make promises all the time and break them, and for the most part a good chunk of the population makes bad choices. But it can be easier to keep one's hands off the dangerous stuff when one believes someone else cares and you have committed to that person. It may not be completely sufficient for many, but for others it may be the difference between life and death. 3
poptart Posted December 11, 2017 Posted December 11, 2017 10 hours ago, Jane_Doe said: Call it a benefit of promising God I'm not going to do that stuff There's that disconnect again. It's a hallmark of people here in the states, they'll stand there and have blind faith in something even after acknowledging that most fall short and the way I see it most are garbage. I'd look at the martyred saints Boniface as inspiration, personally the idea of diety expecting me to keep a promise not to drink coffee is foolishness and reaks of superstition. I've been called out in that before and my retort stays the same, give up your wealth and serve the poor as Christ did, else your like the majority of religious Americans I've met, cheap. What' so hard with admitting you follow a religion out of duty, obligation and order? It's so much more honest.
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