Temples in Jerusalem?

[Robert F. Smith]

4 hours ago, CV75 said:

Jesus taught these universal principles of righteousness, and additionally how they can be attained in a fulness through the ordinances. Assuming sacrifice is one of these ordinances and has yet to be restored, the only particular one I can think of that was performed by Israel outside of the Law of Moses (and therefore not subject to being fulfilled and ended in Christ) is the Pascal Lamb for the Passover, which was instituted before and originally carried out without the Levitical priesthood order, though I understand at some point the Levites assumed the role of performing this sacrifice for those presenting their offerings at the temple.

It seems to me that the other requirements for the other animal sacrifices were fulfilled in Jesus’ suffering and death, so Malachi must have been referring to the original version, or the Passover, which I take to be one version of the animal sacrifice performed by the patriarchs. I take the references to the ending of sacrifices in the New Testament and Book of Mormon to pertain to the Law of Moses only, so the Levites could understandably pick up a new role in performing the original and restored ordinance of sacrifice, but they would only be ready to do this once they have received the restored Gospel ordinances, including the temple ordinances

Otherwise, I’m not seeing how in the last days there would be parallel temples and ordinances for gathered Israel, one set for the Levites to perform in a Jewish, Jerusalem temple and another set for the High Priesthood to perform in LDS temples everywhere else.

We LDS have been performing the fully restored ordinances for some time now, and there is no reason to think that animal sacrifice will be added to that set of LDS ordinances.

The only issue remaining is that of Jewish belief and practice, which is outlined in detail in the Mishna Tractates from the order Kodashim, which contains everything about the Temple.  Since the Jews don't have a temple currently, they can only plan for the future (as the Temple Institute does), and those plans do not include any thoughts about LDS beliefs and practices.  They have strictly to do with a list of ancient types of sacrificial ritual in the Tabernacle in the desert, the Temple of Solomon, and the Temple of Zerubbabel & Herod, which constitutes a continuous stream of tradition.  God is apparently demanding that the Jewish people become righteous, and that the Levites bring their long history to a close by offering a final blood sacrificial offering in righteousness before all is fulfilled.  If you are unaware that the Jews (by their own admission) have spent two millennia in Exile due to unrighteousness, then you will have missed the point entirely.  If you are unaware that in 1841 Orson Hyde dedicated the Holy Land to the final gathering of the Jews and the building of their temple, then you will again miss the point entirely (Joseph Smith sent him there to take care of that major task, which is part of Article of Faith #10).  The Jews and the lineal priesthood of the Levites has a separate job to do, and they appear to be on schedule.  We are not part of that endeavor, except to offer encouragement -- which they might well completely disregard as "Christian" nonsense.

[CV75]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

We LDS have been performing the fully restored ordinances for some time now, and there is no reason to think that animal sacrifice will be added to that set of LDS ordinances.

The only issue remaining is that of Jewish belief and practice, which is outlined in detail in the Mishna Tractates from the order Kodashim, which contains everything about the Temple.  Since the Jews don't have a temple currently, they can only plan for the future (as the Temple Institute does), and those plans do not include any thoughts about LDS beliefs and practices.  They have strictly to do with a list of ancient types of sacrificial ritual in the Tabernacle in the desert, the Temple of Solomon, and the Temple of Zerubbabel & Herod, which constitutes a continuous stream of tradition.  God is apparently demanding that the Jewish people become righteous, and that the Levites bring their long history to a close by offering a final blood sacrificial offering in righteousness before all is fulfilled.  If you are unaware that the Jews (by their own admission) have spent two millennia in Exile due to unrighteousness, then you will have missed the point entirely.  If you are unaware that in 1841 Orson Hyde dedicated the Holy Land to the final gathering of the Jews and the building of their temple, then you will again miss the point entirely (Joseph Smith sent him there to take care of that major task, which is part of Article of Faith #10).  The Jews and the lineal priesthood of the Levites has a separate job to do, and they appear to be on schedule.  We are not part of that endeavor, except to offer encouragement -- which they might well completely disregard as "Christian" nonsense.

The Joseph Smith quotes seem to keep open the possibility that animal sacrifice will yet be performed, and as Elder Oaks put it in his April 2014 talk, under the “direct or indirect authorization of one holding the keys for that function.”

The “job” for the Jews and the lineal priesthood of the Levites according to Orson Hyde’s 1841 dedicatory prayer seems to be to fall into line with the patterns of righteousness from which they departed (D&C 84:53), the same way everyone else does, which is by receiving the Lord’s servants, the Lord and His Father (84:33-42). In that regard, I see "they" and "us" as part of the same endeavor since even those with a lineal priesthood must "prove" it to the higher priesthood authority in order to act upon the right.

Reading Orson Hyde's prayer, the dedication and consecration of the land is for “…the gathering together of Judah's scattered remnants, according to the predictions of the holy Prophets -- for the building up of Jerusalem again after it has been trodden down by the Gentiles so long, and for rearing a Temple in honor of Thy name.”

The beneficiaries of the covenant (which was with Abraham, and renewed with Isaac, and confirmed with Jacob—Psalm 105) include the children of these prophets which “are scattered and dispersed abroad among the nations of the Gentiles…” and are identified as: healing the land; restoring the kingdom to Israel as a distinct nation and government with Jerusalem as the capital and a descendant of David as the king; thriving under God’s protection. This seems to pertain to the “everlasting [God’s] inheritance” portion of the prayer. Naturally there could be a unique role for the lineal priesthood in this kind of earthly theocracy.

The “remembering their seed forever” portion of the prayer would have to do with God’s sealing power, and so supplicates for the Lord “to remember Zion, with all her Stakes, and with all her assemblies…” and to pour “the spirit of light and knowledge, grace and wisdom, into the hearts of her Prophets, and clothe her Priests with salvation” to “let light and knowledge march forth through the empire of darkness, and may the honest in heart flow to their standard, and join in the march to go forth to meet the Bridegroom.” Naturally there would be a role for the lineal priesthood in this as well, directing the Jews to join the heavenly kingdom.

it is interesting to note that a lineal priesthood is the lesser one.

Edited November 9, 2017 by CV75

[Stargazer]

16 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

We LDS have been performing the fully restored ordinances for some time now, and there is no reason to think that animal sacrifice will be added to that set of LDS ordinances.

The only issue remaining is that of Jewish belief and practice, which is outlined in detail in the Mishna Tractates from the order Kodashim, which contains everything about the Temple.  Since the Jews don't have a temple currently, they can only plan for the future (as the Temple Institute does), and those plans do not include any thoughts about LDS beliefs and practices.  They have strictly to do with a list of ancient types of sacrificial ritual in the Tabernacle in the desert, the Temple of Solomon, and the Temple of Zerubbabel & Herod, which constitutes a continuous stream of tradition.  God is apparently demanding that the Jewish people become righteous, and that the Levites bring their long history to a close by offering a final blood sacrificial offering in righteousness before all is fulfilled.  If you are unaware that the Jews (by their own admission) have spent two millennia in Exile due to unrighteousness, then you will have missed the point entirely.  If you are unaware that in 1841 Orson Hyde dedicated the Holy Land to the final gathering of the Jews and the building of their temple, then you will again miss the point entirely (Joseph Smith sent him there to take care of that major task, which is part of Article of Faith #10).  The Jews and the lineal priesthood of the Levites has a separate job to do, and they appear to be on schedule.  We are not part of that endeavor, except to offer encouragement -- which they might well completely disregard as "Christian" nonsense.

I seem to recall having heard Cleon Skousen describing giving some advice to those engaged in planning the temple, in which he apparently told them they needed to build a second floor (according to some pattern in the OT), which would have a function they would be informed of after the Messiah came.

[Rain]

On 11/6/2017 at 1:56 PM, nuclearfuels said:

 

2- This one is a stretch even by the major prepper's admission: the BYU Jerusalem Center could be converted to an active LDS Temple with nothing more than a dedication under the proper authority.  (As I've never been there, I'm not sure but I trust the vetting experts on this forum will guide me)

 

Take this with a grain of salt since I have only been on the first two of the 8 levels I wouldn't say that all that was needed was a prayer. I think that it could be converted to a temple as easily as a chapel with apartments stuck to it could be converted. If you think about it, there really isn't much that NEEDS to be done to any building to convert them into a temple. You would just need to arrange tables, curtains, chairs. Probably the hardest part would be the baptismal font and I don't know if the Jerusalem center has that or not. 

The biggest difference you might see is in the chapel in the Jerusalem center has a big glass wall behind the pulpit that looks out across the valley and over to the temple mount. If you are going to use that as part of the temple you either need to be ok with people seeing I'm or find away to cover the glass and that would be a lot of curtains. For having one side next the hill, the whole building has a serious amount of glass. 

 

[Robert F. Smith]

5 hours ago, Stargazer said:

I seem to recall having heard Cleon Skousen describing giving some advice to those engaged in planning the temple, in which he apparently told them they needed to build a second floor (according to some pattern in the OT), which would have a function they would be informed of after the Messiah came.

Sounds like something that Cleon would say.