The Nehor Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 Okay, fine. The error was horrific and the Church and Gospel have been exposed as frauds. We will begin liquidating the church's assets and begin shutting down operations. Please be patient as this may take awhile. Well, it has been a fun ride but all good things come to an end... 2
Jeanne Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 Just now, The Nehor said: Okay, fine. The error was horrific and the Church and Gospel have been exposed as frauds. We will begin liquidating the church's assets and begin shutting down operations. Please be patient as this may take awhile. Well, it has been a fun ride but all good things come to an end... Good to know..does this mean I get all that tithing back??
The Nehor Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Jeanne said: Good to know..does this mean I get all that tithing back?? It will be prorated back based on total lifetime donations once everything is liquidated. We do not know at this time how much it will be worth. Church buildings can be difficult to sell for their valuation and we are still not sure what to do with the temples. We have desanctified them by bring 12 packs of Coca-Cola past the Recommend desk but there is not a big market for buildings like this. We are planning to auction off the seerstones on EBay if anyone is interested. Edited August 4, 2017 by The Nehor 4
Thinking Posted August 4, 2017 Author Posted August 4, 2017 52 minutes ago, Calm said: Thinking, That video and explanation would cover the original error, but seems to ignore the retraction which would not be a "strikeout" to my mind. So it doesn't really apply. Can you try again to explain what this issue is? The Holland situation is only one example of what I have described as perfect fallibility. It's the response of the members that reminded me of that scene.
Maidservant Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 9 hours ago, Thinking said: giving him a pass Is there a difference between "giving a pass" and "repentance and forgiveness"? Serious question. In your mind is there a difference, and if a difference why is the situation with Elder Holland one and not valid as the other? It's like no mistake was ever really made. It's like we might believe in the atonement . . . ? Ohhh noooooss! 1
pogi Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, california boy said: Is Mormonism somehow exempt from all of this questioning of the divine? Quite the contrary, we actually encourage people to question the divine (James 1:5, Mormoni 10:3-5) 1 hour ago, california boy said: I think you bring up some valid points to consider. But I would like to address your questions in a different way. The issue is much more broad than that. Every religion wants a faith full of miracles, angles, visitations from heavenly messengers, power of faith to heal their loved ones, and yes, finding lost keys. It is a formula that has kept people in religion for centuries. Certainly there will always be a core of believers in any religion that feel they have enough proof in their lives to continue in their faith no matter what the distractors uncover or disprove. But more and more, there are those that do not have that proof of faith in their lives. It has become just as easy to explain a miracle as it is to embrace it. Every miracle that is explained by science or the actual facts of what happened weakens the story of faith and the divine. Every story that proves to not live up to it's faith promoting purpose weakens the claim of all religion. It is what is causing people to walk away from organized religion. They may see the divinity in God or Christ. What they are seeing less of is the divinity in the stories of faith and those that lead the churches. Miracles are become less miraculous. Church leaders of all churches are becoming just men trying to do the best they can to fulfill their calling. The reason we encourage people to question the divine is because it takes our faith from a blind reliance on exoteric stories of miracles, and anchors it in the interior and personal experience of the divine. The only miracle that my faith is dependent upon is the spiritual witness of the atonement, and the restoration. Everything else is inspirational fluff - nice, but not necessary. Edited August 4, 2017 by pogi 2
RevTestament Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 47 minutes ago, USU78 said: We northern county Mormons of a certain age have strong opinions on the Logan Temple gutting and the Ogden Temple retrofit. ETA: the architect himself made the pillar/cloud intention expressly. I saw nothing about the building representing a cloud. The rounded structure was attributed to the designers not wanting a rectangular shape on top of a rectangle: "I mean, it fit. And when he finally put the design together, we didn’t want the rectangle, so Emil rounded everything. It was called the Danish ellipse." http://nighuntokolob.blogspot.com/2016/02/why-were-first-ogdenprovo-lds-temples.html The major impetus for the design seemed to be that they wanted it to accommodate 6 endowment rooms for the new film version of the endowment, which resulted in a rectangular shape. Because they were building two temples at the same time, they were also quite austere in the design. The fluted design on the Ogden facade and floral design on the Provo temple facade also speaks against it supposed to be representing a cloud. IDK, maybe that was a last minute design idea for the exterior, but the final facade designs seem to suggest otherwise. Nevertheless, the Ogden Temple steeple was definitely more suggestive of a pillar of fire than Provo's is. Whatever the case, I never liked it. I didn't know Logan got gutted. I liked the exterior design, so I'm glad they didn't tear it down. Being a busy temple, I imagine they wanted to use the new films in it. It apparently had some structural flaws, but perhaps an addition would have been more welcome by the locals.
Jeanne Posted August 4, 2017 Posted August 4, 2017 44 minutes ago, The Nehor said: It will be prorated back based on total lifetime donations once everything is liquidated. We do not know at this time how much it will be worth. Church buildings can be difficult to sell for their valuation and we are still not sure what to do with the temples. We have desanctified them by bring 12 packs of Coca-Cola past the Recommend desk but there is not a big market for buildings like this. We are planning to auction off the seerstones on EBay if anyone is interested. You are so good at this..I am smiling.
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