Scef - Book of Mormon onramp

[strappinglad]

Present your arguments and let the chips fall as they may.

[Calm]

2 hours ago, hagoth7 said:

Yes.

 

And should you prefer, you are free to replace that modest "if" with a public "when." 

Agreed.

By suggesting I replace it with a "when", you seem to be taking the assumption as a given...but then you agree that is inappropriate, so I am confused.

And no, I would definitely not prefer to replace it with a "when".

[hagoth7]

1 hour ago, Calm said:

By suggesting I replace it with a "when"...

If you don't, (and since you don't)...for you and your house, the ifs carry the day. :0)

1 hour ago, Calm said:

...you seem to be taking the assumption as a given....

I do. 

Because...I've simply *already* seen the hoped-for fulfillment from such things, in recent months, in the lives and homes of others. Now it's the small matter of patiently helping that resolved inertia snowball...to benefit more such people....and to hopefully eventually come full circle to benefit those I care about most. 

1 hour ago, Calm said:

...but then you agree that is inappropriate, so I am confused.

Modesty is a good thing. (I didn't say that either stance was *in*appropriate.) 

You chose to stand by the modest/hopeful "if". Super.

Confusion gone?

Edited July 1, 2017 by hagoth7

[Robert F. Smith]

4 hours ago, Honorentheos said:

I need to add a category. I'm no longer Mormon and do not believe in Lehites. So I'm not neutral but I also think your particular theory about them is not much different from the other culturally appropriating attempts to find Lehites in other cultures with actual pasts being rewritten by these attempts.

Good points.  

By the way, what was the crucial or compelling reason(s) you left Mormonism? 

[hagoth7]

1 hour ago, strappinglad said:

Present your arguments and let the chips fall as they may.

In case you missed the OP, the first friendly shot across (your neighbors') bow(s): 

http://www.beowulfinstitute.com/Scef.html 

(a cultural memory about Lehi's son Jo-seph, preserved in early Europe).

[hagoth7]

4 hours ago, Honorentheos said:

I need to add a category. I'm no longer Mormon and do not believe in Lehites. So I'm not neutral but I also think your particular theory about them is not much different from the other culturally appropriating attempts to find Lehites in other cultures with actual pasts being rewritten by these attempts.

I've added another category.

Edited July 1, 2017 by hagoth7

[Honorentheos]

1 hour ago, Robert F. Smith said:

Good points.  

By the way, what was the crucial or compelling reason(s) you left Mormonism? 

Isn't that a subject that can get a person banned? It's still in the rules, and some years back posting about why one left the Church was one of the fastest routes to bansville.

[Honorentheos]

1 hour ago, hagoth7 said:

I've added another category.

Close enough. Cool.  

[Robert F. Smith]

15 minutes ago, Honorentheos said:

Isn't that a subject that can get a person banned? It's still in the rules, and some years back posting about why one left the Church was one of the fastest routes to bansville.

I guess you think that comes under the prohibition on "Why I Left the Church or de-conversion stories."  I wasn't even aware that it was off-limits, but Oh Well, . . .  and sorry to ask.