MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 1.6% (about 4 million) of US adults identify as Mormon. 91% are active, or go to church at least once a month. 77% (about 3,080,000) are very spiritual because they go to church and read scriptures at least once a week. "Attendance at sacrament meeting varies substantially. Canada, the South Pacific, and the United States average between 40 percent and 50 percent. Europe and Africa average about 35 percent. Asia and Latin America have weekly attendance rates of about 25 percent" http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=law_harvest&chapter_id=7 The church reports a total of 6,531,656 Mormons in the USA. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/00 http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/mormon/ 54% of US Mormons make at least 50,000 dollars, see http://www.pewforum.org/2009/07/24/a-portrait-of-mormons-in-the-us/#4 Assume that half of the 3,080,000 gives a total of 5,000 dollars of tithing per year. 1,540,000 x 5,000 = 7,700,000,000. at least 7.7 Billion US tithing + the rest of the world tithing + Distribution Center + Property Reserve, Inc. + Deseret + other = at least 11 Billion, but I really have no idea. I understand the church is a worldwide church, but why does it need at least 11 Billion dollars for 30,016 congregations, 155 temples, and 418 missions? It can't be for human aid because that comes from Fast Offerings. There are also General and Ward missionary donations. Is the church planning to buy Missouri or something? or other big plans? Is the church preparing for the Apocalypse? or am I ignorant about something? Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame 1
Gray Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 1.6% (about 4 million) of US adults identify as Mormon. 91% are active, or go to church at least once a month. Activity rates are more like 35% in the US. So that must mean 91% of people who self identify as Mormon are active, meaning only a small number of inactive members still consider themselves to be Mormon. 2
thesometimesaint Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 Human aid while a noble goal is just one part of the four fold mission of the Church.
Tacenda Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 57 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 1.6% (about 4 million) of US adults identify as Mormon. 91% are active, or go to church at least once a month. 77% (about 3,080,000) are very spiritual because they go to church and read scriptures at least once a week. "Attendance at sacrament meeting varies substantially. Canada, the South Pacific, and the United States average between 40 percent and 50 percent. Europe and Africa average about 35 percent. Asia and Latin America have weekly attendance rates of about 25 percent" http://www.cumorah.com/index.php?target=law_harvest&chapter_id=7 The church reports a total of 6,531,656 Mormons in the USA. https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/table/PST045216/00 http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/religious-tradition/mormon/ 54% of US Mormons make at least 50,000 dollars, see http://www.pewforum.org/2009/07/24/a-portrait-of-mormons-in-the-us/#4 Assume that half of the 3,080,000 gives a total of 5,000 dollars of tithing per year. 1,540,000 x 5,000 = 7,700,000,000. at least 7.7 Billion US tithing + the rest of the world tithing + Distribution Center + Property Reserve, Inc. + Deseret + other = at least 11 Billion, but I really have no idea. I understand the church is a worldwide church, but why does it need at least 11 Billion dollars for 30,016 congregations, 155 temples, and 418 missions? It can't be for human aid because that comes from Fast Offerings. There are also General and Ward missionary donations. Is the church planning to buy Missouri or something? or other big plans? Is the church preparing for the Apocalypse? or am I ignorant about something? Not Missouri, a good portion of Florida though. 2
thesometimesaint Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tacenda said: Not Missouri, a good portion of Florida though. Not so much. 383,000 acres vs 34 million acres 1
JAHS Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) Let me just add to the list of things tithing pays for: Building and upkeep of Temples, Church buildings, and Administrative buildings; Administrative expenses(telephone, office supplies, postage, printing manuals and books etc.); employee salaries; building and maintaining colleges and universities; Church Education System(CES); Missionary work; Missionary training centers; Temple Square and other visitors centers; Church historical sites; insurance; accounting expenses; legal expenses; welfare farms; Deseret Industries buildings; Church Welfare program; Family History Centers, genealogy libraries and archives; and taxes; all of which are money-consuming assets and not money-producing assets. I am sure there are some things I have missed, but it adds up fast. The church also does not go into debt for any of these things; they pay as they go. Edited March 22, 2017 by JAHS 1
ksfisher Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 2 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: at least 7.7 Billion US tithing + the rest of the world tithing + Distribution Center + Property Reserve, Inc. + Deseret + other = at least 11 Billion, but I really have no idea. By Deseret I'm assuming that you're meaning Deseret Industries. Do you really think either of these places are income generators? As cheap as things are at both I would be surprised if either broke even. The Distribution Center sells hardcover copies of the Book of Mormon for $3. A hardcover quad is $7. Perhaps someone here has an idea of what the cost of these would be to a book publisher, but if these are being sold by the church at cost then I think their doing a phenomenal job of controlling costs.
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 1 hour ago, JAHS said: employee salaries the Church used to have thousands of custodian jobs, not anymore. 1 hour ago, JAHS said: building and maintaining colleges and universities colleges are a business 10 minutes ago, ksfisher said: By Deseret I'm assuming that you're meaning Deseret Industries. Do you really think either of these places are income generators? the church does have Property Reserve, Inc and other real-estate ventures.
ksfisher Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 1 minute ago, MormonVideoGame said: the church does have Property Reserve, Inc and other real-estate ventures. I wasn't asking about Property Reserve, I was asking about Deseret Industries and the Distribution Center.
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, rpn said: I think you are counting the children. 1.6% of 321,418,820 (Total US population 2015) is 5,142,701. The numbers in the USA are not that bad. Outside the USA is a different story. The only problem in the USA is that growth is not accelerating. Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
ksfisher Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 19 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: the Church used to have thousands of custodian jobs, not anymore. The church still does have thousands of custodial jobs. Temples, visitors centers,distribution centers, offices etc have custodians.
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, ksfisher said: The church still does have thousands of custodial jobs. Temples, visitors centers,distribution centers, offices etc have custodians. Probably, but not like it used to.
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, ksfisher said: I wasn't asking about Property Reserve, I was asking about Deseret Industries and the Distribution Center. I am not so sure about that. Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
JAHS Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 37 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 2 hours ago, JAHS said: building and maintaining colleges and universities colleges are a business Some tithing must be used for these since church members get a discount on tuitions. 39 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 2 hours ago, JAHS said: employee salaries the Church used to have thousands of custodian jobs, not anymore. The church still has thousands of other jobs that they do pay salaries on from tithing
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 4 minutes ago, JAHS said: The church still has thousands of other jobs that they do pay salaries on from tithing numbers please. CFR
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, JAHS said: Some tithing must be used for these since church members get a discount on tuitions. CFR. Bytheway, there are 8,977 congregations in Latin America. LDS churches in Latin America are not as nice as churches in the USA. Bills (such as electricity) are not that expensive in Latin America. Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
JAHS Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 22 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 27 minutes ago, JAHS said: The church still has thousands of other jobs that they do pay salaries on from tithing numbers please. CFR Glassdoor says greater than 10,000: https://www.glassdoor.com/Overview/Working-at-The-Church-of-Jesus-Christ-of-Latter-day-Saints-EI_IE122747.11,58.htm There are church employees all over the world. 2
JAHS Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 23 minutes ago, MormonVideoGame said: 35 minutes ago, JAHS said: Some tithing must be used for these since church members get a discount on tuitions. CFR. Bytheway, there are 8,977 congregations in Latin America. LDS churches in Latin America are not as nice as churches in the USA. Bills (such as electricity) are not that expensive in Latin America. "As BYU’s sponsor, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints subsidizes tuition prices with its members’ tithing funds. " https://admissions.byu.edu/tuition-charges 2
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, JAHS said: Glassdoor says greater than 10,000: You know, I am not that impressed. Wendy's net income was 129.6 million USD in 2016, and it employs 37,000. and of course the church needs money, things like missionary pamphlets and pass-along cards are expensive. Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
carbon dioxide Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 3 hours ago, rpn said: I think you are counting the children. Yes. So if there is a family of 5 there may be one person who makes say 50000 or gives 5000 a year in tithing but under the formula of Mormonvideogame, each of the 5 would give 5000 for a total of 25,000 from this family.
MormonVideoGame Posted March 22, 2017 Author Posted March 22, 2017 (edited) . Edited March 22, 2017 by MormonVideoGame
ksfisher Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 11 minutes ago, carbon dioxide said: Yes. So if there is a family of 5 there may be one person who makes say 50000 or gives 5000 a year in tithing but under the formula of Mormonvideogame, each of the 5 would give 5000 for a total of 25,000 from this family. I think the key words in the OP's tithing estimate formula were the last five. "...I really have no idea." 1
Atheist Mormon Posted March 22, 2017 Posted March 22, 2017 4 hours ago, MormonVideoGame said: Assume that half of the 3,080,000 gives a total of 5,000 dollars of tithing per year. 1,540,000 x 5,000 = 7,700,000,000. at least 7.7 Billion US tithing + the rest of the world tithing + Distribution Center + Property Reserve, Inc. + Deseret + other = at least 11 Billion, but I really have no idea. You simply assume way too much.
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