Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 13 hours ago, Yirgacheffe said: But we haven't had presidents who said they groped women's crotches and kissed kissed them without invitation before, that's a lot different than a mutually agreed on sexual relationship. Who here is okay with a man copping a feel from their collage age daughter? This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife.
thesometimesaint Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife. Trump hasn't cheated on my wife. But he has cheated repeatedly on his 3 wives. 1
MiserereNobis Posted January 21, 2017 Author Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife. Here's an interview with Trump (there's a video of it and an article) about his years-long affair. His only remorse is that he got caught and it ended. He says: "My life was so great in so many ways. The business was so great... a beautiful girlfriend [Marla Maples], a beautiful wife [Ivana Trump], a beautiful everything. Life was just a bowl of cherries." Pretty despicable, eh? Edited January 21, 2017 by MiserereNobis 1
Calm Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Scott Lloyd said: This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife. Which he has done himself.
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife. 1 hour ago, Calm said: Which he has done himself. And which I don't defend hm for -- or any of the other stuff. It's just that I've been disgusted by the rank hypocrisy of many in the #notmypresident crowd. This guy says it pretty well. (Be sure to scroll down to see the video.) Not recycling more immoral than pornography? Give me a break! Edited to add: I didn't vote for Trump and, like a lot of other people, was extremely disappointed with the choice we had in the general election. But I can't say I'm disappointed the other candidate lost. Edited January 21, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: And which I don't defend hm for -- or any of the other stuff. It's just that I've been disgusted by the rank hypocrisy of many in the #notmypresident crowd. This guy says it pretty well. (Be sure to scroll down to see the video.) I watched that too but none of those people are or were running for PUSA, Trump was and is and he is accountable. He has no excuses anymore, he can't blame the media, he can't the Liberals,"Israeli science", "Chinese hoaxes", the Clintons, if there any failures and problems they are his and he's accountable-a shred of humility would go a long way
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Duncan said: I watched that too but none of those people are or were running for PUSA, Trump was and is and he is accountable. He has no excuses anymore, he can't blame the media, he can't the Liberals,"Israeli science", "Chinese hoaxes", the Clintons, if there any failures and problems they are his and he's accountable-a shred of humility would go a long way Doesn't make the feigned outrage any the less hypocritical. Edited January 21, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: Doesn't make their feigned outrage any the less hypocritical. people hold the PUSA accountable and rightfully so on another note this will make you laugh! Canada and snow!
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Duncan said: people hold the PUSA accountable and rightfully so Maybe they should hold themselves accountable for their pop culture choices and preferences. Like the man said in his FB post: Quote The Broadway show “Book of Mormon”, a huge hit, having grossed somewhere around half a billion dollars is a parody (a “vilification” as Meryl Streep would say) of religion and people who actually try to do good and make the world a better place. As is the new norm, religion is treated as a joke, while depravity and idols are worshipped. Good is evil and evil is good. Bill Clinton was every bit as morally bankrupt as Donald Trump (while in office by the way), but not a peep was made about him by the same people that assail Trump - because it didn’t fit their political agenda. That’s the very definition of moral relativism. These things matter. We are the end product of what we consume and idolize. Morality is not relative. It's a universal truth. Our fight shouldn’t be against Donald Trump. It’s too late. Our fight should be against everything that has made him the very the embodiment of the American ideal. Edited January 21, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe they should hold themselves accountable for their pop culture choices and preferences. Like the man said in his FB post: Blaming others gets people nowhere, Please read this talk by Elder Pinnock https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/now-is-the-time?lang=eng&_r=1 You have a problem in the US, sounds like
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Duncan said: Blaming others gets people nowhere, Please read this talk by Elder Pinnock https://www.lds.org/general-conference/1989/04/now-is-the-time?lang=eng&_r=1 You have a problem in the US, sounds like Blaming Trump gets you nowhere when the root of the problem is society's moral relativism and hypocrisy. And that's not just a U.S. problem. The United States is merely the bellwether for the rest of the free world. Edited January 21, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: Blaming Trump gets you nowhere when the root of the problem is society's moral relativism and hypocrisy. And that's not a U.S. problem. yeah it is a US problem, Canada or Peru or whoever didn't elect him "yall" did. Why does he get a free pass? celebrities don't get a free pass, ask TMZ
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, Duncan said: yeah it is a US problem, Canada or Peru or whoever didn't elect him "yall" did. Why does he get a free pass? celebrities don't get a free pass, ask TMZ You missed the part I added. The United States is just a bellwether for the rest of the free world.
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Scott Lloyd said: You missed the part I added. The United States is just a bellwether for the rest of the free world. caught it! we'll take your Mcdonalds and Dominoes Pizza and Louie Anderson
Scott Lloyd Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 Just now, Duncan said: caught it! we'll take your Mcdonalds and Dominoes Pizza and Louie Anderson I hear the "Book of Mormon" musical is enjoying brisk ticket sales in Canada.
Duncan Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Just now, Scott Lloyd said: I hear the "Book of Mormon" musical is enjoying brisk ticket sales in Canada. it was here last year or the year before? I forget now and for the second time. Our ward since like 2012 has hit or exceeded our baptismal goals, so I don't know if the play had anything to do with it or not but we haven\t seen a drop off of baptismal candidates. Some move, go inactive but for the most part they've stayed Edited January 21, 2017 by Duncan
Calm Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: Maybe they should hold themselves accountable for their pop culture choices and preferences. Like the man said in his FB post: "but not a peep was made about him by the same people that assail Trump " I have heard many who condemned Clinton for his immorality also being the ones who are condemning Trump's immorality. Just because they are quite vocal now, doesn't mean they weren't before. Trump adds a level of racism to the mix though. Trump bragging about his sexual assaults whether it was exaggeration or reality and being blatant in public and not showing any regret in his affairs, racism, etc. makes it, imo, more difficult to stomach. While it doesn't make it any less immoral to try and hide one's affairs and corruption, it at least is a bit reassuring in contrast that there is some caring about what other people think and a sense of vulnerability to public opinion which may lead someone to alter their behaviour even if they are doing it for purely selfish reasons. Someone who doesn't seem to connect to the reality of public opinion in their opinion and appears to have little self control when it comes to what they want scares me because of implications for diplomacy, etc. Tweeting without thinking and then not being willing to admit mistakes or seeing them at all is not a good sign for the kind of self control that should be there in the White House. 3
Calm Posted January 21, 2017 Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Scott Lloyd said: The United States is just a bellwether for the rest of the free world. I think that is arrogance to make that claim. Just how do you see the US as a trendsetter for the world's morality? Edited January 21, 2017 by Calm 2
MiserereNobis Posted January 22, 2017 Author Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Doesn't make the feigned outrage any the less hypocritical. My outrage is neither feigned nor hypocritical. I have not cheated on my wife nor grabbed a woman by her genitals. Exactly how is it rank hypocrisy that I am disgusted by Trump as my president? Edit: I'm sure I've overreacted; you didn't accuse me of hypocrisy. Please accept my apologies and read my following post Edited January 22, 2017 by MiserereNobis
MiserereNobis Posted January 22, 2017 Author Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) Ok, I see the end of this thread is nigh. I'll try to bring it back around to the original post by saying that I often smile to myself when certain Evangelicals put Catholics and Mormons in the cult category together. The active Mormons I know (I'm outside of Utah) are almost without exception good folk trying to do their best in this world. While I think they are mistaken in their beliefs (as they think of me in mine), it is a "successful error" to use Rory/3DOP terms. And I find that they think that of my beliefs, too. In the end, we share much in common -- the belief in priesthood, authority, lineage, and leadership, the belief in heavenly apparitions and "revelations" (using the LDS term, not the Catholic one), the belief that more than the Bible is necessary, the belief in saving rituals, and so forth. So yes, we share a lot, but being a cult isn't one of them, and I'm glad to know good Mormons both here on the board and in real life off the board that are seeking God's will. +PAX+ Edited January 22, 2017 by MiserereNobis 2
Scott Lloyd Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, MiserereNobis said: My outrage is neither feigned nor hypocritical. I have not cheated on my wife nor grabbed a woman by her genitals. Exactly how is it rank hypocrisy that I am disgusted by Trump as my president? Edit: I'm sure I've overreacted; you didn't accuse me of hypocrisy. Please accept my apologies and read my following post Thank you for the apology and please be assured I didn't have you in mind at all when I said that. I was thinking more of those who are coarse in their behavior, pop culture preferences, etc. If you view the Facebook video I linked to earlier, perhaps it could convey a clearer message of my position. Furthrrmore, I do have substantial respect and even affinity for Catholicism -- which is why I reacted so strongly to Snowflake's misstatement of our beliefs earlier. Edited January 22, 2017 by Scott Lloyd 1
Scott Lloyd Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Calm said: I think that is arrogance to make that claim. Just how do you see the US as a trendsetter for the world's morality? Arrogant to believe the US exports raunchiness in popular culture and influences the popularity thereof? You think that's something I would be proud of? Edited January 22, 2017 by Scott Lloyd
ERayR Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 7 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: This is crap. Nothing Trump has reportedly said or done is more despicable than cheating on your wife. How about selling influence attached to your high government position - like Secretary of State or using a fake charitable organization to launder graft money?
Avatar4321 Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 On 1/20/2017 at 0:37 PM, Buckeye said: In all seriousness, though, I'm confident that President Trump paid next to no attention to either Jeffress or the Choir. Its a shame if he did. The choir was beautiful
Calm Posted January 22, 2017 Posted January 22, 2017 2 hours ago, Scott Lloyd said: Arrogant to believe the US exports raunchiness in popular culture and influences the popularity thereof? You think that's something I would be proud of? I have been in several countries and all of them had looser standards of morality being portrayed in their own programming. Undoubtedly there are some countries that have better morals than the US, I am not currently aware of any though. I didn't say you were proud of it, but it is an arrogant position in my opinion, that many Americans hold, that the US stands at the forefront of whatever in the world and from what I have seen, it most definitely does not, in part because many Americans practically ignore the existence of the rest of the world.
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