His opinion becomes my opinion

[rpn]

16 hours ago, stemelbow said:

what a terrible thing to say to missionaries. 

He wasn't speaking to missionaries (except the senior missionaries who work in the church history department).

[HappyJackWagon]

11 hours ago, Robert F. Smith said:

I take it that you let him know that he was off base, and that you would do him the favor of letting him know when he had overstepped his job/calling as bishop.  I am more than willing to sustain a bishop, not only by raising my hand, but also by taking assignments from time to time, etc.  No need to make him a tin horn dictator, however.

That's exactly what I told him. The idea he was proposing at the time was actually a good idea and I told him I'd support him because the idea is good and because I try to support leaders. I took exception with the incorrect principle he was trying to teach and let him know that if he has a terrible idea I will not claim that idea as if it were my own and in fact I have a duty to try to help make things better.

The conversation was pretty funny because he didn't grasp the concept at all. He agreed that people should never have to believe or act on every thing a bishop says or proposes without thinking just because he's bishop BUT he ended his sentence by saying something like..."but once I make a decision you need to be on board 100% as if it was your own idea."

Face palm.

[cinepro]

5 hours ago, HappyJackWagon said:

That's exactly what I told him. The idea he was proposing at the time was actually a good idea and I told him I'd support him because the idea is good and because I try to support leaders. I took exception with the incorrect principle he was trying to teach and let him know that if he has a terrible idea I will not claim that idea as if it were my own and in fact I have a duty to try to help make things better.

The conversation was pretty funny because he didn't grasp the concept at all. He agreed that people should never have to believe or act on every thing a bishop says or proposes without thinking just because he's bishop BUT he ended his sentence by saying something like..."but once I make a decision you need to be on board 100% as if it was your own idea."

Face palm.

The weird thing for me is the "as if it was your own idea" theme.  Do people generally think all their ideas are good ones?  Because I've had plenty of terrible ideas, and hopefully I have people close to me that help me see it.

So what I would do if he ever proposes a bad idea is say "Bishop, I've taken your counsel and I've considered your idea/decision/plan as if it was my own idea.  But the bad news is, I think we both had a really bad idea."

[juliann]

That is the first time I've ever heard sustaining defined that way (not that I hear it a lot.) It has always been it only means support, as in I disagree with you but I will still support you. And obviously there will be exceptions to that, which is why there is a chain of command. 

On a more important topic, it is time we started analyzing the Priesthood voice as thoroughly as we analyze the Primary voice. The lip smacking is increasing. Do men do it more forcefully? The voice and mannerisms are distinctive...enough so that Holland was widely criticized for using the fiery preacher style. It has to do with pausing, cadence, inflection among other things. I can't help myself. I spent a career analyzing speech and language. But now we have become accustomed to criticizing the women, and they are improving, what to do but move on to the men?

[Lemuel]

4 hours ago, juliann said:

That is the first time I've ever heard sustaining defined that way (not that I hear it a lot.) It has always been it only means support, as in I disagree with you but I will still support you. And obviously there will be exceptions to that, which is why there is a chain of command. 

On a more important topic, it is time we started analyzing the Priesthood voice as thoroughly as we analyze the Primary voice. The lip smacking is increasing. Do men do it more forcefully? The voice and mannerisms are distinctive...enough so that Holland was widely criticized for using the fiery preacher style. It has to do with pausing, cadence, inflection among other things. I can't help myself. I spent a career analyzing speech and language. But now we have become accustomed to criticizing the women, and they are improving, what to do but move on to the men?

HappyJackWagon's bishop is just taking the lead from President Nelson, who defined sustaining as

 

"Our sustaining of prophets is a personal commitment that we will do our utmost to uphold their prophetic priorities. Our sustaining is an oath-like indication that we recognize their calling as a prophet to be legitimate and binding upon us."

 

 

[The Nehor]

11 hours ago, cinepro said:

The weird thing for me is the "as if it was your own idea" theme.  Do people generally think all their ideas are good ones?  Because I've had plenty of terrible ideas, and hopefully I have people close to me that help me see it.

So what I would do if he ever proposes a bad idea is say "Bishop, I've taken your counsel and I've considered your idea/decision/plan as if it was my own idea.  But the bad news is, I think we both had a really bad idea."

I have a bad habit of having bad ideas and knowing they are bad ideas and yet still acting on said bad ideas.

I have no idea how to act as if someone else's ideas are my own in any case. I do not buy that concept. I do buy the idea of sustaining my leaders when they say something I disagree with or often even when I disagree.

[Gray]

15 hours ago, juliann said:

That is the first time I've ever heard sustaining defined that way (not that I hear it a lot.) It has always been it only means support, as in I disagree with you but I will still support you. And obviously there will be exceptions to that, which is why there is a chain of command. 

On a more important topic, it is time we started analyzing the Priesthood voice as thoroughly as we analyze the Primary voice. The lip smacking is increasing. Do men do it more forcefully? The voice and mannerisms are distinctive...enough so that Holland was widely criticized for using the fiery preacher style. It has to do with pausing, cadence, inflection among other things. I can't help myself. I spent a career analyzing speech and language. But now we have become accustomed to criticizing the women, and they are improving, what to do but move on to the men?

There is definitely a "priesthood voice".

But beyond that, I would lobby for them to stop using "succor" in place of help. They all seem to use it, and it always sounds like "sucker" to modern ears.