rpn Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 I recently read a claim that the original AofF are different from what we say they are now. The citation was to a document claiming to be from church archives identified in handwriting as "from the Book of Wilford C. Wood [sic] Vol 1" See first post http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27232 When I looked at josephsmithpapers.org, I found the a document described as JS, “Church History,” in Times and Seasons (Nauvoo, IL), 1 Mar. 1842, vol. 3, no. 9 (whole no. 45), pp. 706–710; edited by JS; includes typeset signature. The copy used for transcription is currently part of a bound volume held at CHL; includes later underlining. http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/church-history-1-march-1842/1?highlight=wentworth letter#ft-source-note This version is the same as we now use to my eyes. What I am wondering is whether anyone here knows how the second version above came about, and why?
JLHPROF Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 (edited) Loathe though I am to get info from the Tanner's website it was the easiest to find there: 1841—"An Interesting Account...Remarkable Visions" - Pratt 1842—Times and Seasons - Smith (13 articles) 1850—Frontier Guardian - Hyde (14 articles) 1851—Pearl of Great Price (13 articles) 1902—Pearl of Great Price (few changes, still 13 articles) The copy from the JS Papers that you describe is the second one on the Tanner's list, from the Wentworth letter as published in the Times and Seasons. The longer 14 article one from the Freedom Forum post is from Orson Hyde's Frontier Guardian version which was reproduced in Wilford C. Wood's "Joseph Smith Begins His Work Vol II". Hope that helps. ETA - on a side note, we apparently owe a lot to Wilford C. Wood.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705309776/Preserving-the-past-Wilford-C-Wood-pursued-purchase-of-LDS-Church-history-sites.html?pg=all Historical sites acquired by Wilford C. Wood Liberty Jail in Liberty, Mo. The tower hill area of Adam-ondi-Ahman in Missouri Aaronic Priesthood restoration site in Harmony (now Oakland), Pa. The Newel K. Whitney Store in Kirtland, Ohio John Johnson home and farm property in Hiram, Ohio Martin Harris farm property in Palmyra, N.Y. Times and Seasons building in Nauvoo, Ill. John Taylor home in Nauvoo, Ill. Erastus Snow property in Nauvoo, Ill. Most of the temple block in Nauvoo, Ill. Artifacts The original "Nauvoo clay" casts of the death masks of Joseph and Hyrum Smith Original uncut sheets of the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon Salt Lake Tabernacle pulpits Original Tabernacle organ pipes A Book of Abraham manuscript Edited September 29, 2016 by JLHPROF 2
cinepro Posted September 29, 2016 Posted September 29, 2016 The Articles of Faith are similar to, and may have been partially derived from, an earlier creed written by Oliver Cowdery (Messenger and Advocate 1(1), October 1834, p. 2): We believe in God, and his Son Jesus Christ. We believe that God, from the beginning, revealed himself to man; and that whenever he has had a people on earth, he always has revealed himself to them by the Holy Ghost, the ministering of angels, or his own voice. We do not believe that he ever had a church on earth without revealing himself to that church: consequently, there were apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers, in the same. We believe that God is the same in all ages; and that it requires the same holiness, purity, and religion, to save a man now, as it did anciently; and that as HE is no respecter of persons, always has, and always will reveal himself to men when they call upon him. We believe that God has revealed himself to men in this age, and commenced to raise up a church preparatory to his second advent, when he will come in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. We believe that the popular religious theories of the day are incorrect; that they are without parallel in the revelations of God, as sanctioned by him; and that however faithfully they may be adhered to, or however zealously and warmly they may be defended, they will never stand the strict scrutiny of the word of life. We believe that all men are born free and equal; that no man, combination of men, or government of men, have power or authority to compel or force others to embrace any system of religion, or religious creed, or to use force or violence to prevent others from enjoying their own opinions, or practicing the same, so long as they do not molest or disturb others in theirs, in a manner to deprive them of their privileges as free citizens-or of worshiping [worshipping] God as they choose, and that any attempt to the contrary is an assumption unwarrantable in the revelations of heaven, and strikes at the root of civil liberty, and is a subvertion [subversion] of all equitable principles between man and man. We believe that God has set his hand the second time to recover the remnant of his people, Israel; and that the time is near when he will bring them from the four winds, with songs of everlasting joy, and reinstate them upon their own lands which he gave their fathers by covenant. And further: We believe in embracing good wherever it may be found; of proving all things, and holding fast that which is righteous. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Articles_of_Faith_(Latter_Day_Saints)
Tacenda Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, JLHPROF said: Loathe though I am to get info from the Tanner's website it was the easiest to find there: 1841—"An Interesting Account...Remarkable Visions" - Pratt 1842—Times and Seasons - Smith (13 articles) 1850—Frontier Guardian - Hyde (14 articles) 1851—Pearl of Great Price (13 articles) 1902—Pearl of Great Price (few changes, still 13 articles) The copy from the JS Papers that you describe is the second one on the Tanner's list, from the Wentworth letter as published in the Times and Seasons. The longer 14 article one from the Freedom Forum post is from Orson Hyde's Frontier Guardian version which was reproduced in Wilford C. Wood's "Joseph Smith Begins His Work Vol II". Hope that helps. ETA - on a side note, we apparently owe a lot to Wilford C. Wood.http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705309776/Preserving-the-past-Wilford-C-Wood-pursued-purchase-of-LDS-Church-history-sites.html?pg=all Historical sites acquired by Wilford C. Wood Liberty Jail in Liberty, Mo. The tower hill area of Adam-ondi-Ahman in Missouri Aaronic Priesthood restoration site in Harmony (now Oakland), Pa. The Newel K. Whitney Store in Kirtland, Ohio John Johnson home and farm property in Hiram, Ohio Martin Harris farm property in Palmyra, N.Y. Times and Seasons building in Nauvoo, Ill. John Taylor home in Nauvoo, Ill. Erastus Snow property in Nauvoo, Ill. Most of the temple block in Nauvoo, Ill. Artifacts The original "Nauvoo clay" casts of the death masks of Joseph and Hyrum Smith Original uncut sheets of the 1830 edition of the Book of Mormon Salt Lake Tabernacle pulpits Original Tabernacle organ pipes A Book of Abraham manuscript Add a seerstone to the list, unless it's transferred hands. They have a museum in the Bountiful, Utah area and you're able to make a reversation to see the museum. http://wilfordwoodmuseum.com/AboutUS.htm Edited September 30, 2016 by Tacenda 1
rpn Posted September 30, 2016 Author Posted September 30, 2016 So am I getting it correct that Parley P Pratt first published a pamphlet that included an attempt to outline doctrine. And that Joseph Smith used some of Parley P. Pratt's language, but made things a great deal less wordy, and addressed new topics to create the Articles of Faith as we know them in the Wentworth letter. (Or was it that PPP used an unpublished manuscript that Joseph Smith later refined into the Wentworth letter?) So why was Bro. Wood rewriting them --- his version suggests it was officially published? By whom, other than himself? Why would he think to reword them?
JLHPROF Posted September 30, 2016 Posted September 30, 2016 3 hours ago, rpn said: So am I getting it correct that Parley P Pratt first published a pamphlet that included an attempt to outline doctrine. And that Joseph Smith used some of Parley P. Pratt's language, but made things a great deal less wordy, and addressed new topics to create the Articles of Faith as we know them in the Wentworth letter. (Or was it that PPP used an unpublished manuscript that Joseph Smith later refined into the Wentworth letter?) So why was Bro. Wood rewriting them --- his version suggests it was officially published? By whom, other than himself? Why would he think to reword them? Bro. Wood's version was a reprint of Orson Hyde's version that was published in the Frontier Guardian.
theplains Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 On 29/09/2016 at 6:27 PM, cinepro said: 5. We believe that the popular religious theories of the day are incorrect; that they are without parallel in the revelations of God, What are some examples of this? Thanks, Jim
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