rpn Posted August 16, 2016 Author Posted August 16, 2016 So what about the idea that some tout that poltergeist are spirits out of place or ones that cannot leave. Are there really ghosts here on earth? If there are, then who are they?
Jeanne Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 This is all so interesting because there are so many components to each question. A lot of people believe in guardian angels. I do. Does this have a name or any type doctrine that says this is possible in the church? 1
Tacenda Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 18 hours ago, waveslider said: Be careful what you wish for. Instead of wanting the gift of talking to spirits, I would first suggest wanting to have discernment as to who those spirits truly are. There are after all a third of the host of heaven who want to deceive us in anyway possible. This includes using the veil of forgetfulness to their advantage, since they don't have one. They can see absolutely every aspect of any individual's Earthly life, even those aspects that the individual thinks no one saw, or knew about. They will try to convince you that they are a person who has died, and was near to us, but in reality they are only demons in disguise, posing as a trusted spirit. It can be very convincing by telling us things that we think only that person would know. It can be very dangerous to listen to what spirits tell people who are sensitive enough to hear them. Often times they will sound very good, offering good advice, and slip in just enough evil to get us to turn from God, a little bit at a time. Hint; if you are channeling anything it isn't going to be good spirits that come to the call. If you are praying, in all sincerity to God, through Christ, you will be able to know if an evil spirit comes to deceive you, and can be completely assured your answers are coming from the God, via the Holy Spirit. Have you had experience with this waveslider? My niece is a medium, and she gave me a reading over the phone from California. I'm sure hoping it was my parents that came through and not these evil spirits. That would be a sad thing. She is legit, and many have stated so after their readings. 1
ksfisher Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 43 minutes ago, Jeanne said: This is all so interesting because there are so many components to each question. A lot of people believe in guardian angels. I do. Does this have a name or any type doctrine that says this is possible in the church? Nope. All members of the church are promised the companionship of the Holy Ghost when they are confirmed. This promise is renewed each week when we worthily partake of the sacrament. The Aaronic Priesthood also holds the keys of the ministering of angels (see D&C 13), but this is not the same as the pop culture belief in guardian angels. 1
waveslider Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Tacenda said: Have you had experience with this waveslider? My niece is a medium, and she gave me a reading over the phone from California. I'm sure hoping it was my parents that came through and not these evil spirits. That would be a sad thing. She is legit, and many have stated so after their readings. Yes, I have seen it. Legit mediums are fooled far more often than not. Edited August 16, 2016 by waveslider mispell
waveslider Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 2 hours ago, ksfisher said: Nope. All members of the church are promised the companionship of the Holy Ghost when they are confirmed. This promise is renewed each week when we worthily partake of the sacrament. The Aaronic Priesthood also holds the keys of the ministering of angels (see D&C 13), but this is not the same as the pop culture belief in guardian angels. I wouldn't be so certain of such a solid nope, although I can;t find anything definitely saying that we have guardian angels I do find things that certainly sound like they can pertain to being guardian angels. I truly believe, IMO, that we do have guardian angels from our ancestors and future progeny. We are certainly linked through priesthood sealings as noted here: "5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." Malachi 4:5-6 To support my opinion here are a few quotes from lesson manuals and things: "The inspiration of God is seen in requiring the Latter-day Saints to keep their homes intact, and to teach their children the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, I do not mean by that that we should make such teaching formal or in any way distasteful. I mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ should radiate in every home; that the prayer night and morning should be offered up in sincerity; that the children daily would realize that we desire in our home the presence of God. If we can invite the Savior there, we may know that the angels will be not only willing but eager to protect our boys and girls. I believe that in most homes boys and girls are taught to pray before retiring for the night. I believe, however, that, too generally, the morning prayers are neglected. When we come to think of it, though, it is during the waking hours that our boys and girls need the protection of God, and the guidance of his Holy Spirit, more even than when they are asleep." (In Conference Report, Oct. 1917, 57-58.) Teachings of David O. McKay, Chapter 8 It says here that the angels are eager to protect our kids if they pray, and since we are to pray always that sure does seem like they would be eager to protect us always as well. ""But I do not want to dwell on these things. I merely wish to say that I went out as a priest, and my companion as an elder, and we traveled thousands of miles, and had many things manifested to us. I desire to impress upon you the fact that it does not make any difference whether a man is a priest or an apostle, if he magnifies his calling. A priest holds the key of the ministering of angels. Never in my life, as an apostle, as a seventy, or as an elder, have I ever had more of the protection of the Lord than while holding the office as a priest. The Lord revealed to me by visions, by revelations, and by the Holy Spirit, many things that lay before me" (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 299-300)." Aaronic Priesthood 3, Lesson 22 Here we are promised protection from the destroying angel: "18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones; 19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures; 20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint. 21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen." D&C 89:18-21 Just my two cents worth anyway. 1
ksfisher Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 14 minutes ago, waveslider said: I wouldn't be so certain of such a solid nope, although I can;t find anything definitely saying that we have guardian angels I do find things that certainly sound like they can pertain to being guardian angels. I truly believe, IMO, that we do have guardian angels from our ancestors and future progeny. We are certainly linked through priesthood sealings as noted here: "5 ¶ Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord: 6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." Malachi 4:5-6 To support my opinion here are a few quotes from lesson manuals and things: "The inspiration of God is seen in requiring the Latter-day Saints to keep their homes intact, and to teach their children the principles of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Now, I do not mean by that that we should make such teaching formal or in any way distasteful. I mean that the gospel of Jesus Christ should radiate in every home; that the prayer night and morning should be offered up in sincerity; that the children daily would realize that we desire in our home the presence of God. If we can invite the Savior there, we may know that the angels will be not only willing but eager to protect our boys and girls. I believe that in most homes boys and girls are taught to pray before retiring for the night. I believe, however, that, too generally, the morning prayers are neglected. When we come to think of it, though, it is during the waking hours that our boys and girls need the protection of God, and the guidance of his Holy Spirit, more even than when they are asleep." (In Conference Report, Oct. 1917, 57-58.) Teachings of David O. McKay, Chapter 8 It says here that the angels are eager to protect our kids if they pray, and since we are to pray always that sure does seem like they would be eager to protect us always as well. ""But I do not want to dwell on these things. I merely wish to say that I went out as a priest, and my companion as an elder, and we traveled thousands of miles, and had many things manifested to us. I desire to impress upon you the fact that it does not make any difference whether a man is a priest or an apostle, if he magnifies his calling. A priest holds the key of the ministering of angels. Never in my life, as an apostle, as a seventy, or as an elder, have I ever had more of the protection of the Lord than while holding the office as a priest. The Lord revealed to me by visions, by revelations, and by the Holy Spirit, many things that lay before me" (Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 299-300)." Aaronic Priesthood 3, Lesson 22 Here we are promised protection from the destroying angel: "18 And all saints who remember to keep and do these sayings, walking in obedience to the commandments, shall receive health in their navel and marrow to their bones; 19 And shall find wisdom and great treasures of knowledge, even hidden treasures; 20 And shall run and not be weary, and shall walk and not faint. 21 And I, the Lord, give unto them a promise, that the destroying angel shall pass by them, as the children of Israel, and not slay them. Amen." D&C 89:18-21 Just my two cents worth anyway. Still feeling a pretty solid nope. The 1917 Conference Report nor the Discourses of Wilford Woodruff that you have cited do not teach the traditional christian/pop culture concept of guardian angels.
boblloyd91 Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 (edited) Maybe the idea of a guardian angel unique to us is debatable but angels watching over us and protecting us in general isn't. Edited August 16, 2016 by boblloyd91 3
waveslider Posted August 16, 2016 Posted August 16, 2016 12 minutes ago, ksfisher said: Still feeling a pretty solid nope. The 1917 Conference Report nor the Discourses of Wilford Woodruff that you have cited do not teach the traditional christian/pop culture concept of guardian angels. Okay, I can agree to disagree.
Eek! Posted August 17, 2016 Posted August 17, 2016 (edited) On 8/16/2016 at 10:40 AM, Jeanne said: This is all so interesting because there are so many components to each question. A lot of people believe in guardian angels. I do. Does this have a name or any type doctrine that says this is possible in the church? On 8/16/2016 at 10:40 AM, Jeanne said: This is all so interesting because there are so many components to each question. A lot of people believe in guardian angels. I do. Does this have a name or any type doctrine that says this is possible in the church? "Could you gaze into heaven five minutes, you would know more than you would by reading all that ever was written on the subject." The next closest thing, and far more accessible to the rest of us, is the near-death experience - that is, first-hand accounts of those who have gazed into heaven for five minutes (and sometimes longer). It seems to me that a lot of the NDE videos posted on YouTube have an agenda attached. I'm cautious about any that have a voice-over or soundtrack, to me that says "we're going to use this to support an agenda", but YouTube channel "billsvideos123" seems to have a fair number are simply the person telling their story. See also books by researcher and 3-times NDEer PMH Atwater. Interestingly, Joseph Smith exhibits the characteristics of a near-death experiencer (perhaps associated his bone marrow surgery as a child?), and included in the Book of Mormon are several accounts of near-death-like experiences: Alma the Younger, and King Lamoni and his wife. Personally, I see remarkable parallels between the descriptions of these experiences in the Book of Mormon and the reports of some near-death experiencers. Edited August 18, 2016 by Eek!
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