sunstoned Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 (edited) On 7/13/2016 at 5:22 PM, danielwoods said: I'm heading there next week. I think I read on his website that it was 40 dollars admission? I believe you are correct. the news cast that covered the grand opening said it was $40 admission. Edited July 15, 2016 by sunstoned
Calm Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 3DOP, I just really don't like theme parks....really, really don't like them.
bcuzbcuz Posted July 15, 2016 Author Posted July 15, 2016 6 hours ago, theplains said: I heard it said (on the news) that this theme park was viewed as a celebration of ignorance. But I wouldn't consider believing in some science which cannot be proved as ignorance either ... scientists rely on faith too (they aptly refer to it as speculation instead). Thanks, Jim Proof is not the question. Evolution is not a fact, it is an interpretation of the facts. The facts stand remarkably well defined within the theory. Science, when it is done properly, consists of extremely careful observations, and includes even the evidence that is contrary. An example. It is well documented how meticulous Darwin was. (He played gin rummy every evening with his wife for some 50 years. He kept and tabulated every score) He observed that regular garden worms dragged leaf litter down their holes. He formed an opinion that the worms dragged the small tip of the leaf down first. (It makes sense, the leaf will fold more easily into the worms small burrow.) Darwin clipped small pieces of white paper into isoceles shaped triangles, then placed the pieces by worm holes. When he examined the worm holes over a long period of time he could conclude that almost 70% of the slips of white paper had been pulled into the hole by the sharpest, smallest point first. Why did he so painstakingly try to make observations of the lowly earthworm? Because he was a skilled scientist who truly enjoyed discovery and to look for answers to all those "why" questions. 1
danielwoods Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 12 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said: Proof is not the question. Evolution is not a fact, it is an interpretation of the facts. The facts stand remarkably well defined within the theory. Science, when it is done properly, consists of extremely careful observations, and includes even the evidence that is contrary. An example. It is well documented how meticulous Darwin was. (He played gin rummy every evening with his wife for some 50 years. He kept and tabulated every score) He observed that regular garden worms dragged leaf litter down their holes. He formed an opinion that the worms dragged the small tip of the leaf down first. (It makes sense, the leaf will fold more easily into the worms small burrow.) Darwin clipped small pieces of white paper into isoceles shaped triangles, then placed the pieces by worm holes. When he examined the worm holes over a long period of time he could conclude that almost 70% of the slips of white paper had been pulled into the hole by the sharpest, smallest point first. Why did he so painstakingly try to make observations of the lowly earthworm? Because he was a skilled scientist who truly enjoyed discovery and to look for answers to all those "why" questions. All of that is very interesting but irrelevant with respect to evolutionary theory. The theory is based not on facts alone, but extrapolation beyond what is observable facts or even common sense. So, no matter how meticulous a person is, their beliefs or world view still play a huge role in the conclusions they will make with regard to the unobserved "facts" of history, but you knew that...
thesometimesaint Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 On 7/13/2016 at 2:37 PM, waveslider said: That would have to be Apatosaurus burgers, not Brontoburgers.
thesometimesaint Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 19 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said: Should one infer from your answer that you do not believe Noah & Flood story? No. I believe that Noah was a prophet of God who built an ark. That he loaded as many animals as he could, to save them from a massive albeit regional flood.
thesometimesaint Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 14 hours ago, The Nehor said: Idiocy respects no racial, religious, or cultural boundaries. That be true.
thesometimesaint Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 13 hours ago, 3DOP said: So...I guess I should keep any beliefs that I have in common with this Ham person to myself? I don't understand the disdain. What, if anything, does anyone like about Ham? That he is a beloved child of God. Beyond that not much. Then again I don't have much use for scam artists.
thesometimesaint Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 20 minutes ago, danielwoods said: All of that is very interesting but irrelevant with respect to evolutionary theory. The theory is based not on facts alone, but extrapolation beyond what is observable facts or even common sense. So, no matter how meticulous a person is, their beliefs or world view still play a huge role in the conclusions they will make with regard to the unobserved "facts" of history, but you knew that... ? Gravity doesn't exist. SEE http://bigthink.com/videos/gravity-doesnt-exist
Atheist Mormon Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 1 hour ago, thesometimesaint said: No. I believe that Noah was a prophet of God who built an ark. That he loaded as many animals as he could, to save them from a massive albeit regional flood. How was that possible knowing that Planet has millions of species.
Calm Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 4 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said: How was that possible knowing that Planet has millions of species. Reread his post with more care and less assumption 1
theplains Posted July 15, 2016 Posted July 15, 2016 20 hours ago, bcuzbcuz said: Proof is not the question. Evolution is not a fact, it is an interpretation of the facts. The facts stand remarkably well defined within the theory. Science, when it is done properly, consists of extremely careful observations, and includes even the evidence that is contrary. For those who believe in evolution, why did apes or monkeys cease to evolve into humans? Jim
danielwoods Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 41 minutes ago, theplains said: For those who believe in evolution, why did apes or monkeys cease to evolve into humans? Jim Oh gotta watch out... modern apes and monkeys share a common ancestor with humans according to their story of evolution. So, apes and monkeys have evolved down a different line or branch just as humans have evolved on their branch so to speak... or so they say... Unfortunately, finding these many theorized common ancestors is like finding Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat. 1
thesometimesaint Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 23 hours ago, Atheist Mormon said: How was that possible knowing that Planet has millions of species. Never said he did save millions of species. I don't believe it was a global flood. I believe it was a massive albeit regional flood.
thesometimesaint Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 16 hours ago, danielwoods said: Oh gotta watch out... modern apes and monkeys share a common ancestor with humans according to their story of evolution. So, apes and monkeys have evolved down a different line or branch just as humans have evolved on their branch so to speak... or so they say... Unfortunately, finding these many theorized common ancestors is like finding Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat. Biologically we are still apes. SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/ It is in our telomeres. SEE
Atheist Mormon Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 21 hours ago, Calm said: Reread his post with more care and less assumption Sorry, you are right...I didn't know he exempted marsupials, and 50% other species from the Flood....My bad.
thesometimesaint Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 (edited) Is your assumption that Noah's Flood was Global? It is not mine. Genesis 6-8 can be interpreted as a homiletic story such that the "world" that was flooded was just the area that Noah knew. Creationists argue against the local flood model because it doesn't fit their own literalist preconceptions, but I know of no physical evidence contrary to such a model. Edited July 16, 2016 by thesometimesaint
danielwoods Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 2 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: Biologically we are still apes. SEE http://talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/ It is in our telomeres. SEE Many things in this world are man made, such as cars and buildings and definitions of what is an ape, but not many things are made by apes.
thesometimesaint Posted July 16, 2016 Posted July 16, 2016 Non Sequitur. Technology isn't biology. Modern apes operate about on the level of a human two year old.
danielwoods Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 8 hours ago, thesometimesaint said: Non Sequitur. Technology isn't biology. Modern apes operate about on the level of a human two year old. I never said technology was biology. I was using technology to point out the vast difference between humans and apes. Apes operate on the level they were designed to by their creator and have done so since the beginning. 2
danielwoods Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 Since there are mostly skeptics here on this board. I thought this was an interesting article/story about their opening day with protesters. http://creationtoday.org/creationists-lead-21-atheists-protesters-through-ark-encounter-on-opening-day/ 1
thesometimesaint Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 9 hours ago, danielwoods said: I never said technology was biology. I was using technology to point out the vast difference between humans and apes. Apes operate on the level they were designed to by their creator and have done so since the beginning. No they have not,and neither do we.
thesometimesaint Posted July 17, 2016 Posted July 17, 2016 9 hours ago, danielwoods said: Since there are mostly skeptics here on this board. I thought this was an interesting article/story about their opening day with protesters. http://creationtoday.org/creationists-lead-21-atheists-protesters-through-ark-encounter-on-opening-day/ Being a skeptic is not the same thing as a protester. We can all disagree with something and still not become disagreeable.
rodheadlee Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 On 7/13/2016 at 9:14 PM, Peppermint Patty said: Those are some nice looking ribs. It takes some talent to build that thing. Too bad they didn't plank it, prolly would have cost a fortune.
Atheist Mormon Posted July 18, 2016 Posted July 18, 2016 On 7/14/2016 at 9:57 PM, sunstoned said: I believe you are correct. the news cast that covered the grand opening said it was $40 admission. Ken Ham's Ark A worse than horrible investment.... Check this out...Carl Sagan sends Voyager out of solar system...This imbecile builds an ark, sinking 100Million in it...
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