Tacenda Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 6 hours ago, Jeanne said: I agree with this on many levels. My brother in law committed suicide and left my sister devasted...and she had already lost an 11 year old daughter. Yet she did this to herself. I think surely she would have known what this would do to the rest of us by first hand knowledge. We cannot know what goes through their minds..but I don't think anyone was more surprised than she was when she woke up in the spirit world. That is so devastating, so both took their lives? I've often heard of what losing a child can do to a couple. Wow, that breaks my heart for their families.
JAHS Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 On 1/22/2016 at 9:08 AM, Joe said: The correct answer is, "It depends". I tend to believe that suicide is not a sin when it is the result of a mental disease. I have had a lot of friends and acquaintances kill themselves recently. It's very tragic. The pain that it caused their surviving loved ones is overwhelmingly powerful. I have concluded that when these people killed themselves they didn't comprehend the pain that their loved ones would feel because of their choice , otherwise they would have never done it. In their darkest hour they were blinded by their own pain, and had lost the ability to think rationally. I believe all of them died as the result of a mental disease, not from a wicked heart. I suppose a mental disease could include those who decide to kill several people first and then commit suicide. There are of course terrorists who blow themselves up, killing others in the process. I don't think judgment will go well for them. But then there are those who are in a deep state of depression who, for example, decide to kill their children first and then commit suicide. That one is hard to understand. Why can't they just kill themselves first and leave the children alive to be taken care of by someone else?
Jeanne Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 16 hours ago, Tacenda said: That is so devastating, so both took their lives? I've often heard of what losing a child can do to a couple. Wow, that breaks my heart for their families. It was rough..a very hard time for all family members of course. It just killed my mom who was still mourning her grandchild. Now..the little kids I call my grandkids and who call me AuntJeaane Grandma...are her grandkids that she never got to see. I love them so much! My nephew is doing okay now..but he just about destroyed his life. We are all close now...BTW: "Jeanne" is my sister's name. 1
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 23, 2016 Posted January 23, 2016 This is just my own personal belief, but I believe suicide is murder, as in taking a life, and murderers are said to go to the Telestial Kingdom. So I do honestly believe suicides go to one of the lower kingdoms, not the Celestial Kingdom. Unless of course that person is seriously mentally ill and has no control over their actions. It all depends on how aware the person is of what they're doing for accountability. I leave my time to leave this mortality up to Heavenly Father to decide when the time is ready, not my decision.
saemo Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 (edited) On January 22, 2016 at 3:47 PM, Jeanne said: I agree with this on many levels. My brother in law committed suicide and left my sister devasted...and she had already lost an 11 year old daughter. Yet she did this to herself. I think surely she would have known what this would do to the rest of us by first hand knowledge. We cannot know what goes through their minds..but I don't think anyone was more surprised than she was when she woke up in the spirit world. I can't even imagine going through that. My BIL also committed suicide, he was 21 yrs old and not married. Family coming in from all over for his funeral, one said outright and out loud that he was in hell. It impacted my view of God, profoundly, and I never believed that anyone here has the right to judge his heart. But, I think it was for the most part an expression of grief induced anger by a family member who loved him dearly. She has since passed many years ago from old age, and I'd guess she gave him a earful, as she would have in life, but with a huge dose of love. Edited January 26, 2016 by saemo 1
Jeanne Posted January 26, 2016 Posted January 26, 2016 15 hours ago, saemo said: I can't even imagine going through that. My BIL also committed suicide, he was 21 yrs old and not married. Family coming in from all over for his funeral, one said outright and out loud that he was in hell. It impacted my view of God, profoundly, and I never believed that anyone here has the right to judge his heart. But, I think it was for the most part an expression of grief induced anger by a family member who loved him dearly. She has since passed many years ago from old age, and I'd guess she gave him a earful, as she would have in life, but with a huge dose of love. It is the hardest thing to go through. I am sorry about you young BIL. The range of emotions are so intense and some great "what if" moments that leaves us so tender. We cannot judge that we don't understand. My sister had cruise tickets in her purse for her and Mom..Christmas was wonderful..then she was gone.
saemo Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 7 hours ago, Jeanne said: It is the hardest thing to go through. I am sorry about you young BIL. The range of emotions are so intense and some great "what if" moments that leaves us so tender. We cannot judge that we don't understand. My sister had cruise tickets in her purse for her and Mom..Christmas was wonderful..then she was gone. So terrible. Yeah the what ifs and what could be.
Russell C McGregor Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 On 1/19/2016 at 2:06 PM, The Nehor said: With a smile on my face and a song in my heart. Oh wait.....euthanasia is a sin? Awwwwwwwwww.........I guess you will have to find someone else. Sorry. Don't start about euthanasia, or Salgare will accuse you of not caring about youth in America...
VideoGameJunkie Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 My uncle killed himself in 2009 because he was a gay Mormon and felt like a failure in the church for being gay according to his note, so I'm not sure where he is right now, but I hope he's being taught by ancestors of the Plan of Salvation and that he is loved by Heavenly Father.
Rivers Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Most people who commit suicide do so because they are suffering through unbearable mental agony. The supposition that suicide victims go to Hell makes God a monster. Where's the logic in punishing someone for making a desperate action to escape suffering? My heart goes out to all suicide victims and their families. Imagine how much pain somebody would have to be in to take his/her own life. What type of death is worse than that? 1
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