Meadowchik Posted October 2, 2015 Author Posted October 2, 2015 (edited) It is interesting how the most talked-about portion of this thread is from an almost-tangential mention of eating less meat as one way folks can personally address the problem of limited resources. To be sure, I don't mind, and Stargazer's post has forced me to slow down in my intentions of one day going vegan. Not, stopped, but more hesitant. I have to say, though, again, how awesome it is to me how "overpopulation" has solved itself. Perhaps from the LDS perspective of multiplying and replenishing this might seem heretical. However, what's happening is that, more and more, the people who have children are the ones who want children, and those who don't, tend to not. Which, if you think about the children, is probably better for them. On that note, if overpopulation can be solved by people having more options like medical care to keep their existing babies alive, birth control, and education, and this without force or coercion, then it may be that other issues can be solved in less expected ways. If the population issue can be any clue, we'd look for freedom-expanding concepts. Edited October 2, 2015 by Meadowchik 2
thesometimesaint Posted October 2, 2015 Posted October 2, 2015 I don't know where I read it, but somebody wished their casket would be biodegradable and their bodies reaching the earth and also becoming the circle of life. I like that...or having my ashes added to the earth. There is very little biodegrading at the depths of 6 ft
Garden Girl Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 Hello Stargazer...I notice you mention Paleo diet... it does have some very good features... but I find that the easiest and long term successful eating plan for taking off and keeping off weight is Weight Watchers. They have meetings in most areas/cities/towns/bergs etc.If you want to take off pounds slowly, surely, and most successfully long term, I highly recommend Weight Watchers. I'm attending now to take off those extra pounds that I've been trying to lose... I love the meetings because they're fun, and encouraging. We have two men in ours... It's always mostly women, but the men are more than welcome and shouldn't feel intimidated by the number of women vs men... WW is a healthy, sensible approach and is recognized as being the best overall in the ratings. Why don't you look online for a chapter near you and seriously consider trying WW... from the beach as I ride my stationary bike... puff... puff... 1
Stargazer Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Hello Stargazer... I notice you mention Paleo diet... it does have some very good features... but I find that the easiest and long term successful eating plan for taking off and keeping off weight is Weight Watchers. They have meetings in most areas/cities/towns/bergs etc. If you want to take off pounds slowly, surely, and most successfully long term, I highly recommend Weight Watchers. I'm attending now to take off those extra pounds that I've been trying to lose... I love the meetings because they're fun, and encouraging. We have two men in ours... It's always mostly women, but the men are more than welcome and shouldn't feel intimidated by the number of women vs men... WW is a healthy, sensible approach and is recognized as being the best overall in the ratings. Why don't you look online for a chapter near you and seriously consider trying WW... from the beach as I ride my stationary bike... puff... puff... A member of our ward tried WW and it worked for him, but he didn't keep up after reaching his "target" weight. So he gained much of it back. Not all of it, however, so he's doing OK. As to women being in the majority at WW, that would not be a problem. I doubt that I will try WW (but thanks for the reminder), but not because of "too many" women. I actually like women, qua women. Talking with guys is great, of course, but talking with women is much more interesting. Different angles of thought, different attitudes, and thus more interesting. I also find sisterly hugs more pleasant than brotherly hugs. I didn't much appreciate this before, but I've gotten quite a few such hugs from some of the women I work with at my job, since coming back to work. As to stationary bikes, I think I will get a treadmill AND a non-stationary bike. The bike for pleasant days, and the treadmill for those other kinds. Edited October 3, 2015 by Stargazer 1
Stargazer Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 It is interesting how the most talked-about portion of this thread is from an almost-tangential mention of eating less meat as one way folks can personally address the problem of limited resources. To be sure, I don't mind, and Stargazer's post has forced me to slow down in my intentions of one day going vegan. Not, stopped, but more hesitant. I have to say, though, again, how awesome it is to me how "overpopulation" has solved itself. Perhaps from the LDS perspective of multiplying and replenishing this might seem heretical. However, what's happening is that, more and more, the people who have children are the ones who want children, and those who don't, tend to not. Which, if you think about the children, is probably better for them. On that note, if overpopulation can be solved by people having more options like medical care to keep their existing babies alive, birth control, and education, and this without force or coercion, then it may be that other issues can be solved in less expected ways. If the population issue can be any clue, we'd look for freedom-expanding concepts. When it comes to Paleo and sustainability, I am afraid that the current world population (or for that matter the population in the US) precludes Paleo for everyone. Paleo means "hunter-gatherer" and for a significant number of HG's, there may not be adequate space. I suppose this has been thought of by those who advocate it, but maybe not. To slow the growth of population, it seems that the best course is to educate women. The more highly educated women become the fewer children they seem to have. Even among the LDS. And flying directly in the face of this fact is fundamental Islam. Where women are primarily baby-machines with little other choice in the matter. We are headed for some rough times ahead, that's for sure.
Calm Posted October 3, 2015 Posted October 3, 2015 (edited) Just be sure to read the negatives about the diet from professional nutritionists so you can cover what a strict paleo diet lacks.The best I've ever done was on a low carb diet, but that was only for six weeks. It really helped with the cravings I get when I get bored or nervous. My daughter was diagnosed with diabetes at the six weeks point and I started using carbs as a sedative again. If I get enough energy with the thyroid and I can get my husband to stop buying processed junk, I think I will probably start out with low carb to cut the anxiety eating habit and the switch to WW after a month or so. Husband goes on sabbatical in January which means less stress for him, but maybe more for me him being around more because I tend to get distracted easily and screw up my routine. I have never been terribly disciplined for some reason, possibly because I went for decades doing months of different supposedly effective programs that worked for everyone around me but left me feeling worse. By the time I figured out why, sleep disorder, there was so many complications including meds that made me compulsive eater or had me on the couch all day trying not to heave that I gave up trying. Finally making some breakthroughs, but all the extra energy is going to take care of Mom right now. We will see. Edited October 3, 2015 by Calm 1
Meadowchik Posted October 6, 2015 Author Posted October 6, 2015 What kinds of "stuff" are you referring to? Assume you mean materialistic things... I don't think I've ever had "stuff" in excess... particularly now as I age... Simplify... Simplify.... Simplify is what the sea has to teach (Ann Morrow Lindbergh, Gift from the Sea). GFTS is one of my favorite books... I have a feeling you'd really like it if you're not already familiar with it... from the beach... GG It does sound interesting, I think I would like it! I do love the beach. We were in Skegness and then Bretagne at the end of the summer, and had a chance to visit tidal-pooled Mont St Michel. I loved skipping on the sand with my kids asking me to slow down! I did mean material stuff. That's not to say there can be activities which can be wasteful, too, though.
Meadowchik Posted October 6, 2015 Author Posted October 6, 2015 When it comes to Paleo and sustainability, I am afraid that the current world population (or for that matter the population in the US) precludes Paleo for everyone. Paleo means "hunter-gatherer" and for a significant number of HG's, there may not be adequate space. I suppose this has been thought of by those who advocate it, but maybe not.To slow the growth of population, it seems that the best course is to educate women. The more highly educated women become the fewer children they seem to have. Even among the LDS.And flying directly in the face of this fact is fundamental Islam. Where women are primarily baby-machines with little other choice in the matter.We are headed for some rough times ahead, that's for sure. Which would be a reason to treat Muslim immigrants well. Help them integrate into society, show how and why democracy is desirable over theocratic rule. That is, in case there is any doubt...in many cases it, democracy, is already embraced.
BTH&T Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Hey all, I've watched Hans Rosling before and his command of complicated topics is impressive. Mostly, though, he presents them so well that it's easier to develop a good understanding of the global trends of population, poverty, and resources. The latest video is called "Don't Panic" and I loved it. My 14 year old son watched it with me and stayed engaged for the entire hour: http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/ Unless this is your area of specialty, most likely this video will contain information that will surprise you. What would you guess to be the fertility rate of Bangladesh, for example? Is it closest to 2, 4, or 6? Most people get this wrong, even worse than random answers because of their preconceived notions about country populations. Roughly, how many billions of the world are suffering in extreme poverty, living on approximately 1 dollar a day in income? One, two, three, or four? What does the year for "peak child" represent and what is that year? How many, more or less, people will there be once current population trends level out? You didn't know they're expected to level out? That's another surprise for you, then! So I highly recommend this video because it's full of information that interests me and I'd love to talk about it without anyone else who found it interesting. Any takers? It'd also be fascinating to think of this in gospel terms if we can get that far...thanks for recommending!
Meadowchik Posted October 7, 2015 Author Posted October 7, 2015 thanks for recommending! Sure thing. Please tell me what you think if you get a chance to see it!
thesometimesaint Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 It is possible to go totally vegetarian and still maintain a balanced nutritious diet. It is more work to successfully do. Frankly I just too lazy to go all the way, and I like the taste of good Rib-eye stake cooked just to medium doneness.
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