Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) So..... after 10 pages I can say it is safe to say the Bill trolled you all. Maybe not "you all" but he did manage to troll a few people. Which I will note is nothing new for Bill. Edited August 24, 2015 by Mola Ram Suda Ram
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I take it you think Bill is actively working against the church.Depends on what you mean by "actively working against," I suppose. Over the weekend, I ran across an interesting statement on Orson Scott Card's blog. I have tacked it on to the end of my sig line. Don't know whether or not you've noticed it.
Popular Post jkwilliams Posted August 24, 2015 Popular Post Posted August 24, 2015 Depends on what you mean by "actively working against," I suppose. Over the weekend, I ran across an interesting statement on Orson Scott Card's blog. I have tacked it on to the end of my sig line. Don't know whether or not you've noticed it. Nope, just saw it. I have to say that's kind of sad, as if you're supposed to struggle in silence. In my experience, that feeling of being utterly alone is what leads people to walk away from the church. I can't believe Card said something so patently foolish. 5
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 So..... after 10 pages I can say it is safe to say the Bill trolled you all. Maybe not "you all" but he did manage to troll a few people. Which I will note is nothing new for Bill.Yeah, I got the sense early on that we were being played. It's hard to disengage after you've been drawn into it. Now, perhaps inevitably, we are being accused of "piling on."
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Over the weekend, I ran across an interesting statement on Orson Scott Card's blog. I have tacked it on to the end of my sig line. Don't know whether or not you've noticed it. I, for one, don't look to Orson Scott Card as a source for any significant enlightenment; spiritual, or otherwise. 3
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Nope, just saw it. I have to say that's kind of sad, as if you're supposed to struggle in silence. In my experience, that feeling of being utterly alone is what leads people to walk away from the church. I can't believe Card said something so patently foolish.For my part, I see a broad territory between "suffering in silence" and making a billboard of oneself.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I, for one, don't look to Orson Scott Card as a source for any significant enlightenment; spiritual, or otherwise.Ad hom alert.
jkwilliams Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 For my part, I see a broad territory between "suffering in silence" and making a billboard of oneself. Sure, but that's not what your Card quote says. I would be ashamed to say something as foolish as that. 3
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Now, perhaps inevitably, we are being accused of "piling on." Oh, please, Scott. Quit playing the victim; it doesn't suit you.
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Ad hom alert. Because I don't find his works, written or spoken, compelling? Okay. 1
Mola Ram Suda Ram Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Yeah, I got the sense early on that we were being played. It's hard to disengage after you've been drawn into it. Now, perhaps inevitably, we are being accused of "piling on."I hear ya Scott.And of course we are just pilling on. That is what we do here. 1
Gray Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Sure, but that's not what your Card quote says. I would be ashamed to say something as foolish as that. Well, Card has said much worse in the past (recalling his remarks about gay people several years back) Edited August 24, 2015 by Gray
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Because I don't find his works, written or spoken, compelling? Okay.No. Because you snootily declare it when his name comes up in conversation.
jkwilliams Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Well, Card has said much worse in the past (recalling his remarks about gay people several years back) I haven't paid much attention to Card. Maybe that's a good thing. But I was just commenting on Scott's quote of him, which I find utterly wrongheaded. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Oh, please, Scott. Quit playing the victim; it doesn't suit you.Not playing the victim. Just saying I know baiting when I see it.
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 No. Because you snootily declare it when his name comes up in conversation. [shrug] We all have our biases. I'm willing to admit mine. Next time I encounter one of your condescending wave-of-the-hand dismissals of someone, I'll need to remember your "snootily" comment.
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I haven't paid much attention to Card. Maybe that's a good thing. But I was just commenting on Scott's quote of him, which I find utterly wrongheaded.Whatever. Here's the blog post it was taken from, in case anyone is interested to see it in context. I will say if it were me, I would word it a bit differently, inserting the word merely between "being" and "a dobut." But I don't think this was intended to be a thread about Orson Scott Card. Edited August 24, 2015 by Scott Lloyd
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Not playing the victim. Just saying I know baiting when I see it. I believe I commented on this very issue FIVE pages ago - http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/65927-private-groups-of-members-meeting-together/?p=1209528914 Yeah, you're piling on at this point.
sdc999 Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Um, 179 was PaPa's post, not mine.I am sorry. You are correct but Pa Pa is a very devout LDS guy.
ALarson Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) Whatever. Here's the blog post it was taken from, in case anyone is interested to see it in context. I will say if it were me, I would word it a bit differently, inserting the word merely between "being" and "a dobut." But I don't think this was intended to be a thread about Orson Scott Card.Wow. A blog criticizing someone for wondering why a general authority uses tithing money to fly first class instead of coach? That's the "doubt" he's referring to? Card writes:So I must ask: Should we endanger the lives, health, and mobility of General Authorities by making them travel in cramped coach seats? We all know how the penny-pinching airlines keep shrinking the seat space in order to fit in more fare-paying coach passengers; do we really need to torture the General Authorities in order to save money?Or is it money well-spent, to give the Brethren a chance of arriving in a physical condition that will allow them to fulfil their rigorous schedule of meetings?I suppose it depends on how you value the apostolic work. Is it worth $11,700 to let Apostles fly first class on a long international flight, if it means that they can arrive in physical condition to perform their duties without impairment? Personally, I think it would be stupid and cruel to expect them to fly coach and yet maintain their work schedule. Edited August 24, 2015 by ALarson
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 I believe I commented on this very issue FIVE pages ago - http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/65927-private-groups-of-members-meeting-together/?p=1209528914 Yeah, you're piling on at this point.And you're board nannying -- again. 1
Scott Lloyd Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Wow. A blog criticizing someone for wondering why a general authority uses tithing money to fly first class instead of coach? That the "doubt" he's referring to?I think he lays out a strong case. But why don't you start a separate thread if you want to discuss it, since it seems quite off-topic for this one?
ksfisher Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 Nope, just saw it. I have to say that's kind of sad, as if you're supposed to struggle in silence. In my experience, that feeling of being utterly alone is what leads people to walk away from the church. I can't believe Card said something so patently foolish. Perhaps expressing a doubt it different than saying I don't understand.
ttribe Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 And you're board nannying -- again. So, report me Scott.
ALarson Posted August 24, 2015 Posted August 24, 2015 (edited) I think he lays out a strong case. But why don't you start a separate thread if you want to discuss it, since it seems quite off-topic for this one?You are the one who brought up Card's quote about doubt. And we learn it was about doubting whether or not General Authorities should fly first class? Edited August 24, 2015 by ALarson
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